Key Dates and Rarities Index

500Bay · September 18, 2005 12:50PM

Does anyone know what coins/grades make up PCGS' Key Dates and Rarities Index?

Fletcher · September 18, 2005 1:34PM

Yeah ... where can this information be found???

oreville · September 18, 2005 5:16PM

Interesting.....I checked. I remember distinctly that PCGS used to list all coins/mm/grades as part of each index.

That information is no longer there or has been moved.

I would suggest you ask Ron Guth or David Hall to put it back, even if the list only updated once a year.

500Bay · September 18, 2005 9:47PM

I e-mailed PCGS some time ago asking about the contents of this index and the CU 3000 index. I was told that it was "proprietary information."

I can't imagine the Dow Jones 30 or S&P 500 not listing their contents. My fear is both that we do know what the coins/grades are - and also that the contents of the list may change?

I would hope at the minimum that the index is independently audited if it is purported to be a sort of financial index.

oreville · September 19, 2005 7:42AM

500ebay:

Please inform PCGS that they did not see it as proprietary information two years ago and for 5 years, did not show it as proprietary information. They fully disclosed the information several years ago. I believe I may have made photocopies of some of them.
You need to be persistent.

Certainly a prior year's version of the index would not be reasonable to disclose. I am sure that some modifications are made monthly as certain coins become too difficult to price, etc. To constantly show to revised index details is indeed cumbersom, to disclose a historical version of the index is not. It doesn't change THAT much.

500Bay · September 19, 2005 1:01PM

I e-mailed PCGS again this evening asking what coins/grades make up the index. The last time I did was quite a while ago (perhaps a year - I'm not sure). I'll post what I get back as a response.

I do wonder, among other things, how many coins make up this index.

oreville · September 19, 2005 3:02PM

500ebay: I remember specific coins such as the 1916-D dime being represented in the key and rarity index in several grades, more than one weight in the index as well as other coins, also in multiple grades.

I seem to remember at least 200 or more coins being in the index.

Fletcher · September 19, 2005 3:12PM

Here it is ... you better save the pages before they figure out how to have them deleted :-)

PCGS Key Date Index List

PS - Legally, it is not protected proprietary information since they posted it on the internet voluntarily.

JRocco · September 19, 2005 10:08PM

But But ---- There are no ultra modern ubber DCAMS on that list

BASEagle · September 19, 2005 10:16PM

<< <i> e-mailed PCGS some time ago asking about the contents of this index and the CU 3000 index. I was told that it was "proprietary information." >>

This makes no sense at all. The index is useless if we don't know what's in it.

Mike

tjkillian · September 19, 2005 10:21PM

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/frame.chtml?type=coinindex&filename=keydatelist

Here it is on the PCGS website.

Tom

500Bay · September 19, 2005 10:59PM

Thanks for the link!
I do not know why they did not just give me that link before. I wish I had kept those e-mails, I remember at first the person who replied did not know PCGS had a Key Date and Rarities Index. I sent them the link from the PCGS web site, and then was replied to that the information was "proprietary information."

Greg

GOLDSAINT · September 19, 2005 11:05PM

So I am reading this correctly? This index of coin prices is now double what it was in the bubble market of 1989 for theKey Dates and Rarities Index?

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http://www.pcgs.com/prices/frame.chtml?type=coinindex&filename=keys

500Bay · September 19, 2005 11:09PM

<< <i> So I am reading this correctly? This index of coin prices is now double what it was in the bubble market of 1989 for theKey Dates and Rarities Index?
>>

Yes, that is correct. This assumes that the coins within the index itself has not changed.

cartwheel · September 20, 2005 12:17AM

So, what am I missing here? There are no prices listed with these coins, so what does it represent?

Cartwheel

500Bay · September 20, 2005 12:20AM

<< <i> So, what am I missing here? There are no prices listed with these coins, so what does it represent? >>

The coins/grades that make up the index. Look on the PCGS web site, and it shows the PCGS 3000 index, and below it lists Market Segment Indexes. I could not find what coins made up the index - and asked if they were posted somewhere.

Key Dates and Rarities Index

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