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Can You Spot the Artificially Toned Franklins???? - Yet Another AT vs. NT WINNER AND ANSWERS ANNOUNC
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Here are some Franklin Half Dollars. At least One of them is holdered. The others are raw. Two I know for sure to be NT. The other two for sure I know are AT. Think you can determine which is which?
Tell me what you think each Franklin is "AT, NT" and whether or not it is holdered. Please provide some reasoning for your answers. The first 5 correct guesses will be entered into a drawing for the slabbed Frankie.
This ought to be interesting.
Ok, Here are the answers.
Surprisingly, only 1 person got it right. Several were close but only one got all the AT/NT's and which one was holdered. It is amazing how similar these toning patterns are. I was very surprised that most thought my egg AT job for Frankie #1 was really NT. Also, I was surprised at some folks were using the premise of fingerprints on coins to determine if it had been slabbed or not.
Ronyahski - Please PM me your address so I can send you the slabbed frankie.
Franklin #1 = AT I know because I AT'ed it myself during an experiment using a tupperware container 1 boiled egg and some napkins. I left it in there for about 12 hours.
Franklin #2 = AT Also because I AT'ed it myself using the same egg and tupperware from the first AT job. Only this time I dried out the eggs and replaced the napkins so that not as much moisture would be in there. The result was a toned coin with no impairment to the luser, at least on the side that was down (reverse). The side that was up seemed to have some luster impairment but still retained much more luster than Frankie #1. I left this coin in the container for 1 week. Boy when I opened it in the house, my wife got really upset because of the smell so I went and threw it in a trashcan outside.
Franklin #3 = NT (but with problems) If you recognized the toning pattern from some old green PCI slabs, you would have known that Franklin #3 was probably white when it was holdered but the plastic insert was apparently not inert and I believe the coin would get bagged or not cross for environmental damage if sent to either NGC or PCGS.
Franklin #4 = NT It was an end-roll toner that I had with the lincoln cents about 2 months ago.
Franklin #5 = NT It was the other end of the same roll that Frankie #4 was in about 2 months ago.
Image of Frankie #3 in the PCI slab.
Franklin #1
Franklin #2
Franklin #3
Franklin #4
Franklin #5
Tell me what you think each Franklin is "AT, NT" and whether or not it is holdered. Please provide some reasoning for your answers. The first 5 correct guesses will be entered into a drawing for the slabbed Frankie.
This ought to be interesting.
Ok, Here are the answers.
Surprisingly, only 1 person got it right. Several were close but only one got all the AT/NT's and which one was holdered. It is amazing how similar these toning patterns are. I was very surprised that most thought my egg AT job for Frankie #1 was really NT. Also, I was surprised at some folks were using the premise of fingerprints on coins to determine if it had been slabbed or not.
Ronyahski - Please PM me your address so I can send you the slabbed frankie.
Franklin #1 = AT I know because I AT'ed it myself during an experiment using a tupperware container 1 boiled egg and some napkins. I left it in there for about 12 hours.
Franklin #2 = AT Also because I AT'ed it myself using the same egg and tupperware from the first AT job. Only this time I dried out the eggs and replaced the napkins so that not as much moisture would be in there. The result was a toned coin with no impairment to the luser, at least on the side that was down (reverse). The side that was up seemed to have some luster impairment but still retained much more luster than Frankie #1. I left this coin in the container for 1 week. Boy when I opened it in the house, my wife got really upset because of the smell so I went and threw it in a trashcan outside.
Franklin #3 = NT (but with problems) If you recognized the toning pattern from some old green PCI slabs, you would have known that Franklin #3 was probably white when it was holdered but the plastic insert was apparently not inert and I believe the coin would get bagged or not cross for environmental damage if sent to either NGC or PCGS.
Franklin #4 = NT It was an end-roll toner that I had with the lincoln cents about 2 months ago.
Franklin #5 = NT It was the other end of the same roll that Frankie #4 was in about 2 months ago.
Image of Frankie #3 in the PCI slab.
Franklin #1
Franklin #2
Franklin #3
Franklin #4
Franklin #5
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Coin 1 - AT
Coin 2 - AT
Coin 3 - NT
Coin 4 - NT - Slabbed
Coin 5 - NT
NICE PIC's
I guess #2 and #3 are AT. I've never seen one like #3 before and #2 looks blotchy to me as if it were toned by a liquid quickly rather than by atmosphere over time.
I guess #4 is slabbed because it looks higher quality with a better strike than #1 or #5.
I will say that I believe coin #5 is the coin that is slabb'd.
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2 - AT
3 - AT
4 - NT - holdered
5 - NT
My reasoning is because of coloring and placement of toning.
I agree - those photos really rock PG!
2. NT
3. NT
4. NT & Slabbed.
5. AT
I agree with Lucy...but that doesn't mean that some won't grade...here's how I would grade without seeing the coin in hand:
1. AT
2. AT
3. AT
4. AT...but it's probably slabbed
5. NT slabbed
Franklin 2: AT - splotchy liquid like borders
Franklin 3: AT - harsh borders
Franklin 4: NT - smooth transitions, looks like it was in an envelope
Franklin 5: AT - army green is a bad sign
I guess #4 is holdered as a 64
2 - AT Unnatural looking pattern and the spots.
3- AT Never seen a real one even remotely like it
4- NT Because it has a good look . And holdered because you can see the fingerprints the sonic guy left on it.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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2 and 3 are bad
1 and 4 are MA/NT
2 - AT Artificial colors, very splotchy
3 - AT Strange colors that look like they were applied with a Q-Tip
4 - NT - (holdered) Mint Set toning (looks like the highest graded of my NT choices)
5 - NT - Looks like Mint set toning
#1) NT - holdered market acceptable
#2) AT - splotchy
#3) AT - ugly
#4) NT - market acceptable
#5) NT - holdered
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2: AT, colors are strange
3:AT, the layers of color change too dramatical
4: holdered, NT, did you see the finger prints
5: NT, colors and their pattern look right to me
#2: AT - Harsh transition of color
#3: AT - Color has an "applied" look
#4: NT - Gentle color changes (fingerprints on the back = Holdered
#5: NT - The tiny ares of missing color make me think NT
Very nice pictures!!
Ralph
2 AT, not, spotty, rapid transition
3 AT, not, applied color
4 NT not, should be
5 NT, holdered, becuz
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Thanks, cool contest
#2 AT, raw
#3 AT, holdered
#4 NT, raw
#5 NT, holdered
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2) AT
3) AT
4) AT
5) NT holdered
Coin 2 AT
Coin 3 AT
Coin 4 NT
Coin 5 NT Holdered
No reason, justa wag, don't know enough about the series.
Herb
They are all Franklins..............who cares ???
Which one did I miss?
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<< <i>Which one did I miss? >>
You missed two of the NT/AT and incorrectly guessed which one was holdered.
#2 AT, raw
#3 AT, raw
#4 NT, holdered
#5 NT, raw
This has to be right
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#2 NT
#3 SO AT
#4 AT. Very odd Some aspects look AT and some NT.
#5 NT
#2- AT and not holdered.
#3- AT and not holdered.
#4- NT and holdered.
#5- NT and not holdered.
#2 - AT
#3 - AT
#4 - AT
#5 - NT & HOLDERED
#2 - At. Damaged.
#3 - AT, looks like a liver of sulphur job. There is no blending of toning, and the borders look abrupt. Funky color.
#4 - NT and holdered. Looks pretty natural to me, and I could imagine it as an endroller.
#5 - AT and may be holdered. Looks very much like a mint set coin. Well done, almost. They came in cello flat packs in 63.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
1. Looks NT to me, but not high enough grade to get slabbed.
2. Looks NT to me, but would get bodybag for environmental damage.
3. Looks AT to me, the color stops too abruptly to be NT
4. Looks AT to me, because the band of untoned area around the rim looks suspicious to me.
5. Looks NT and the most likely one to be holdered in this group.
rest are nt
Is anyone even close poorguy??
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Actually, one person is close but everyone else is way out there in left field.
I'm very surprised that nobody recognized a certain toning "pattern."
#1) AT
#2) AT
#3) NT
#4) NT - holdered
#5) NT
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Good, because with 1024 possible combinations I'd be guessing all night
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Nice Photos and Contest...
Coin 1 - NT - RAW - "slide" effect on Obverse is common, unless thats the reflection of the holder..."-)
Coin 2 - AT - RAW - Reverse is OK but splotch on Obverse looks AT...
Coin 3 - AT - RAW - Colors & transition of colors look AT...
Coin 4 - NT - HOLDERED - Colors & transition of colors look NT, including the finger prints..."-)
Coin 5 - NT - RAW - Colors & transition of colors look NT...
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Take Care, Dave
<< <i>Is anyone even close poorguy??
Actually, one person is close but everyone else is way out there in left field.
I'm very surprised that nobody recognized a certain toning "pattern." >>
If your talk'n the bull's eye on #3, I'm not buying it..."-)
Looks like there's fungus among us...
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Take Care, Dave
2- AT
3- NT and holdered
4- NT
5- NT
Surprisingly, only 1 person got it right. Several were close but only one got all the AT/NT's and which one was holdered. It is amazing how similar these toning patterns are. I was very surprised that most thought my egg AT job for Frankie #1 was really NT. Also, I was surprised at some folks were using the premise of fingerprints on coins to determine if it had been slabbed or not.
Ronyahski - Please PM me your address so I can send you the slabbed frankie.
Franklin #1 = AT I know because I AT'ed it myself during an experiment using a tupperware container 1 boiled egg and some napkins. I left it in there for about 12 hours.
Franklin #2 = AT Also because I AT'ed it myself using the same egg and tupperware from the first AT job. Only this time I dried out the eggs and replaced the napkins so that not as much moisture would be in there. The result was a toned coin with no impairment to the luser, at least on the side that was down (reverse). The side that was up seemed to have some luster impairment but still retained much more luster than Frankie #1. I left this coin in the container for 1 week. Boy when I opened it in the house, my wife got really upset because of the smell so I went and threw it in a trashcan outside.
Franklin #3 = NT (but with problems) If you recognized the toning pattern from some old green PCI slabs, you would have known that Franklin #3 was probably white when it was holdered but the plastic insert was apparently not inert and I believe the coin would get bagged or not cross for environmental damage if sent to either NGC or PCGS.
Franklin #4 = NT It was an end-roll toner that I had with the lincoln cents about 2 months ago.
Franklin #5 = NT It was the other end of the same roll that Frankie #4 was in about 2 months ago.
Image of Frankie #3 in the PCI slab.
Cool thread, and thanks. If only you could submit them and post the results.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
I'm not going to send the AT ones in because I know they are AT. Why put PCGS on the spot? Nothing good would come of it.
Nice Cotest... Very Fun...
I'm still not buy'n #3 as NT, it would get bagged for a reason...
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Take Care, Dave
Yes, for environmental damage. I've seen many SAE's in this type of holder from this era with the same problem. Some have a very strong Gold/Pink ring around the periphery that is just as sharp as the pink ring on this one.
#2) AT
#3) NT
#4) NT - holdered
#5) NT
Looks like I came in second
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