UPDATE - 1967 SMS Half - shot at DCAM - 2nd visit and more pix.

Chazpear · July 8, 2005 2:29PM

Picked this up earlier this week at a local shop. Looks real good in hand, but is in need of a bath. Think it has a shot at DCAM. Also a Birthmark

Thanks!!

lilmint · July 8, 2005 2:48PM

Ut oh... where's Russ??? paging Russ. Can't really tell if its DCAM through the plastic. Yes, it is in need of a bath but if I were you I would not do it myself. That coin needs the attention of NCS. It does have the making of a DCAM just can't tell on the mirrors if there is enough contrast to warrant it. When Russ shows up I'm sure he can give you a better read. He is way more familiar with this coin then me.

DHeath · July 8, 2005 8:31PM

NCS and submit. Most of the coins from that obverse die have holdered dcam. Good luck, and nice find.

TorinoCobra71 · July 8, 2005 8:34PM

He need some love before you submit, like he said, go with NCS before you submit. It looks CAM for sure, not sure about DCAM though....

TorinoCobra71

LeeG · July 8, 2005 8:52PM

Looks like it has potential. Nice Score! Agree with everyone else: To NCS first.

Cameonut · July 8, 2005 10:49PM

Nice Birthmark piece.

I agree that it needs to go to NCS for some cleanup - worth every cent.

Looks to me it has a good shot at dcam.

JrGMan2004 · July 8, 2005 10:53PM

Nice birthmark

Looks pretty decent... definately needs a bath first...

Chazpear · July 8, 2005 11:05PM

Thanks for the info. I agree, I would never try and clean this one up myself.

Anyone know what kinds of turn around times does NCS has?

MadMarty · July 8, 2005 11:52PM

Right now NCS is running a month and a half. Just sell it to Russ for some HUGE amount and let him worry about getting the MS67 at PCGS!!!

ormandh · July 9, 2005 12:41AM

That looks like it may have pvc damage. I hope that I am wrong because it looks to be a very nice coin. -Dan

Chazpear · July 9, 2005 12:58AM

MM - Thanks. Month and 1/2.. Guess somethings can't be rushed.

ormandh - I hope its not damaged as well.

Russ · July 9, 2005 1:37AM

That one is going to be a tough job, even for NCS. You're looking at multiple layers of crud built up over an extended period of time, not just a simple haze layer. But, if anybody can do it, they can. The key is whether or not it can be done without frosting up the mirrors. This die has exceptional mirror depth, which makes them pretty delicate.

Even if it does conserve well, I'm thinking maybe not DCAM on this one. The bust has the multiple little areas of frost fade characteristic of these on later strikes. Taken individually, they wouldn't keep the coin from getting the designation, but in sum they tend to mute the contrast just enough to prevent DCAM.

Here's a similar example that is not Deep Cameo because of the bust:

Regardless of whether or not the coin grades DCAM, it's still a hell of a find and very rare in the raw. Congratulations!

Russ, NCNE

Russ · July 9, 2005 1:41AM

PS: Want to sell it? I know a place where it could live with five brothers.

Russ, NCNE

Chazpear · July 9, 2005 2:26AM

Good information, and a bit of a letdown as far as what damage may have already been done. Thanks Russ.

As far as selling it, I’m not sure yet. I have been looking for one of these for a while now. At least since I read your first post and saw the pix of one.

As a side note. The dime that was in the set is almost perfect. Extremely frosty with very clean fields on the observe. I was thinking this would easily go 69dcam with a shot at 70dcam. Then I looked on the reverse. Biggest freaking scratch I have ever seen on a dime. talk about a letdown. good example for the 7070 though.

Just out of curiosity Russ, or anyone. You mention that they are a rare find in the raw. Are there any numbers or percentage of how many there maybe?

Edited to add question.

Russ · July 9, 2005 2:43AM

<< <i>You mention that they are a rare find in the raw. Are there any numbers or percentage of how many there maybe? >>

I've never found any info on the numbers produced. I have about 20 unique examples of graded coins in my image archive that I've dug up from auction listings. But, in the thousands of sets I've looked at I've never found one. Even the raw example I posted above was in a PCGS holder before I cracked it out.

Russ, NCNE

Chazpear · July 9, 2005 2:52AM

WOW.. that is a tough find. I guess I never realized that.

Veery cool info.

Cameonut · July 9, 2005 3:49AM

I agree with the others that these are tough to find. I have looked at thousands of sets and never found one. Remember - it is just one die and the frost will wear off quickly making the birthmark fade.

My June NCS order was turned around in about a month - door to door. I agree with Russ, if anyone can help that coin, they can.

coincollector1989 · July 9, 2005 3:59AM

nice score

Russ · July 9, 2005 4:04AM

Chazpear,

BTW, I'm pretty sure Marty has never found one in the raw either. So, that's at least three voracious hunters who've yet to achieve what you just did.

Russ, NCNE

Chazpear · July 9, 2005 4:28AM

The plot thickens...... My numismatic 15 minutes!!

What's the saying about a blind squirrel?

Chazpear · July 9, 2005 9:07AM

I went back to the coin shop today to see if there were any of the 67 SMS sets left from the ones I picked up earlier this week. There was another 5 more sets. So, I buy all 5 remaining sets. I asked the dealer if he had anymore and he said no, these were all from some estate he picked up a couple of months ago and I bought all 10 of them. I wouldn't call this beginners luck because I have now purchased just over 40 sets. But I’ll admit after hearing what the rest of you have said and the number of sets you have found. My percentage if very high.

Anyway, Get home and this is what I find.

this one is a real bummer. I'm not sure anyone can do anything about the finger print

First thing that come to mind after I have thought about this for a bit. Why can’t I have this sort of luck with the lottery.

Cameonut · July 9, 2005 9:10AM

Very intelligent move. These types of coins come in "runs" - when you find one you often can find many.

The new one definately needs to go to NCS but I am skeptical that they can help the obverse. If anyone can do it, they can.

Good luck and great snag!

MadMarty · July 9, 2005 9:11AM

I bet you just made Russ run to the bathroom and kill off a kitten!!!

Russ · July 9, 2005 9:22AM

You're a sicko, Marty.

Russ, NCNE

Manorcourtman · July 9, 2005 9:22AM

I don't think NCS can help you with these. But it was a hopeful lot none the less. Keep looking!! The thrill of the hunt keeps one coming back for more. Chris

lilmint · July 9, 2005 9:36AM

Well inquiring minds would like to know... how much did you pay for them? They are great coins and Russ was right again. They do seem to be from the end of that die's life. NCS is going to have their work cut out to save the finger print one. Be interesting to see them after they return and have been entombed. Pretty awesome they were found all in one shop and were there for you to find. Wonder how the dealer had them?

UPDATE - 1967 SMS Half - shot at DCAM - 2nd visit and more pix.

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