1916-D Dime .... D/D Repunched Mint Mark

Ken1796 · July 1, 2005 10:42AM

Hello ...

Request some assistance.

Will PCGS recognize on its holder a repunched mint mark for a 1916-D Dime? No response from PCGS's customer service and also no response from the Q&A forum.

I recently had this coin graded AU-50 by NGC. However, NGC's attribution service does not recognize repunched mintmarks for 1916-D Dimes. The mint mark is clearly repunched.

Also, the reverse doubling shown in the pictures may be machine doubling. However, the right star has clear separation (DDR ???)

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

JRocco · July 1, 2005 10:49AM

I do not think so. They do not recognize RPM's. Die gouges yes- varieties no.

jdimmick · July 1, 2005 11:02AM

PCGS will not,

ANACS does!, One of the first 16-d dimes I owned was a 16-d/d with old ANACS papers. I crossed it to PCGS but they would not list it as d/d. Actually, I didn't care about the d/d designation as much as the date itself. Several folks have told me that it doesnt really bring much of a premium becuase the date itself is expensive being a key. Course dont quote m onthat , as I am not familiar with variety prices?

keets · July 1, 2005 11:03AM

rockin' Rocco!!

ecos · July 1, 2005 11:28AM

ken1796,
I could find two references to the 1916-D RPM. There appears to be to different repuched reverse dies. I cannot tell the difference since two different books use the same photo to describe RPM1 and RPM2. According to Wexler and Flynn (1999) "Treasure Hunting Mercury Dimes", they list this variety at $3500 in AU. I have no idea if this value is accurate or not. I could find no mention of a Double Die for 1916-D. In my very humble opinion, judging from the photos, that looks like strike doubling not hub doubling. As others have said, I do not think PCGS will recognize the variety and I do not believe that it will carry a strong premium since the coin is already a legend.

pharmer · July 1, 2005 11:50AM

CONECA lists an rpm north, but the listing states that a specimen is needed for study. You might get credit for the listing if you submit the coin to James Wiles at CONECA. And if it's not that one, you'll definitely get credit if it's a new listing. I agree, looks like machine doubling on AMERICA.

John, to return your compliment of a while back, that went through, nothing but net, from full court.

ROBERTB · July 1, 2005 4:53PM

Don't send it to ANACS. It'll come back VF-30

Very nice coin you have there. I'd hold on to that one.

MAD4MORGANS · July 1, 2005 10:41PM

Here's a link on Hub Doubling and Mechanical Doubling with good comparison photos and text:

Geocites.Com-NCADD Educational Series on Die Doubling #1

NCADD Educational Series on Die Doubling #2

Repunched Mintmark Overlay

NCADD Click to "View the Club Directory" to find them.

They also have some other eductional info there at their home page (like how dies are made) as well as submission information.

Ken1796 · July 2, 2005 7:56AM

<< Here's a link on Hub Doubling and Mechanical Doubling with good comparison photos and text:

Thanks for the response.

I believe the coin's reverse has some sort of "machine" doubling - perhaps the dies had extra pressure. However, the right star is completely different - clearly separated - not machine doubling. The left star also has clear separation.

Are there any known double die coins that also have machine doubling?

MAD4MORGANS · July 2, 2005 8:26AM

I would do what Pharmer mentioned send it to CONECA and have it taken a look at. They can also grade it as well (ICG) but I would think you would want to contact them first to see if it is Hub doubled or repunched.

There are some realyy good error people here, but it is always beneficial to have the coin in hand to make sure. You might be able to send then photos with your contact e-mail.

Here is contact info I grabbed off their website:

p.s. If you do find out, you have to let us know!!

CONECA Error Examiners

United States Errors

Jim Checkovich
6440 Crescent Way #106
Norfolk, VA 23513-1422
jimserrors@att.net

Ron Fern
PO Box 1175
Crestline, CA 92325-1175
ronnfern@usa.net

Bill Fivaz
PO Box 888660
Dunwoody, GA 30356-0660
Feev@webtv.net

lathmach · July 2, 2005 8:49AM

There are 4 reverses of the 1916-D Mercury dime. Two of them have the D mintmark repunched.

Ray

Ken1796 · July 7, 2005 10:38PM

<< I would do what Pharmer mentioned send it to CONECA and have it taken a look at. They can also grade it as well (ICG) but I would think you would want to contact them first to see if it is Hub doubled or repunched.

There are some realyy good error people here, but it is always beneficial to have the coin in hand to make sure. You might be able to send then photos with your contact e-mail.

Here is contact info I grabbed off their website:

p.s. If you do find out, you have to let us know!!

Hello To All ....

The coin was recently viewed by a variety "expert" and the opinion provided was strike doubling with a repunched mint mark.

In addition, the coin has a 20 degree clockwise rotated die !

Thanks for all the comments .....

goose3 · July 7, 2005 10:49PM

<< I do not think so. They do not recognize RPM's. Die gouges yes- varieties no. >>

MAD4MORGANS · July 8, 2005 12:43AM

<< Hello To All ....

The coin was recently viewed by a variety "expert" and the opinion provided was strike doubling with a repunched mint mark.

In addition, the coin has a 20 degree clockwise rotated die !

Thanks for all the comments ..... >>

Now for your punishment, you should tell us what the real variety name is!!

pharmer · July 8, 2005 1:32AM

Congrats on your rpm'd 1916-d. If it was me, I would try to get PCGS to label it an rpm, even without attribution number, through the "mint error" labeling submission, which is their poor version of variety labeling. The exact ID of the rpm may not be that important, but you would have it in their slab with rpm on the label. Who knows, maybe they'll upgrade it too

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Merc · July 8, 2005 7:26AM

lathmach told you correctly. 2 of the 4 reverse dies for the 1916-D have a repunched D. It is no big deal. The 1916-D is rare. The RPM D on a 1916-D is common

It is easy to see and there is no need to have the RPM on the holder.

Still, AU50 is a nice and hard to find grade for a 1916-D Mercury dime. Almost all were circulated heavily. Most are G4 to Poor 1. The few nicer ones are uncirculated. Few can be found in the middle grades.

Conder101 · July 8, 2005 7:12PM

<< Are there any known doubled die coins that also have machine doubling? >>

Yes.

1916-D Dime .... D/D Repunched Mint Mark

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