Should be a lot of crow eaten after this thread gets around.
Why is that? If someone posts an absolutely terrible pic of a coin and boldly states there is a better than 90% chance of it going MS66 at PCGS, plenty of opinions are going to flow. Those opinions are based on the information at hand - the picture. Once the information changed [Eric's better photo], opinions are bound to change..... crow eating not necessary - especially since it didn't 66.
The only crow I see here should be eaten by the submitter. The only way that the original claim can be proven correct from here is 9 consecutive MS66 results on 9 more tries: i.e. 90% chance of getting MS66. Facts are facts. "Eat crow?" Hardly. This is "cake." Let's stick to the original MS66 supposition as it was what the thread was all about, not about MS65 or AT. vs NT.
And for what it's worth imo, any coin that has a 90% chance of making MS66 on resubmissions, is a killer MS66 by any measurement. One could probably call such a coin PQ+ or even high end/crackout material. The typical MS66 in a holder these days probably had a 30-70% chance on average of making MS66. There are plenty too that had a 1-30% chance that now reside in holders (can you say low end or mistakes?).
As someone already stated, "should" make MS66 at PCGS is an entirely diff animal. It "should" make MS66....if I submit it 25 times (a 4% chance of making MS66).
Hmmmm, well I guess Paul is not only a bit of a trickster, but a sensative little guy as well. After the grading results were posted, I sent him a PM:
"Fool me once same on me, fool me twice, won't happen Ok your 90% chance of a 66 Morgan got a 65. I guess I owe you $10.00. Let me know your PayPal address and 'll send it to you. Greg "
His reply was: "Greg, You are right it didn't MS66. I was not trying to fool you or anybody else, I stated a bunch of times that the picture didn't do the coin justice. Please donate the $10 to Ken's 4th 0f july auction. Thanks. Paul "
I dont know a thing about Ken or his auction, and I had posted in this thread and via PM that he state that I was paying up. No response or comments left in the thread.
I owe Paul the $10.00 , he can donate it if he wants. I'm now getting a bit upset so i send the following:
I would actually prefer to pay you since your the dog who came up with the bet in the first place with your sleazy 90% chance blah blah and then accepting bets on a 65 instead. Tell me where to send it, and give me public recognition for upholding my part of the deal.
Then he sends me this
Why don't you post that on the public forum. You are a sore loser Greg. You had better stop with the name calling.
LOL... Hey Paul, you must really be stupid to be calling me a be ach. If you only had a clue, you would be crying and throwing up in the toilet after what you just said to me. If I were you I would let it drop, and hope our paths do not cross while I am still pis sed off about your comment.
Ignoring the personal barbs being tossed about here, the question I have is how much value does the PCGS plastic add to that coin vs. grey sheet for the grade and vs a raw white coin in similar condition. In other words, based on the photos you have a very clean for grade coin but it is dark and the toning, how shall I put it, may not be everyone's cup of tea. It is my guess--note it is a guess and only a guess- that one of the reasons why it did not go 66 like fivecents boasted it would is that it was too dark and the toning was not viewed as aestheticly positive by the graders. So what is that coin worth vs a white one in the same grade?
Coingame2000 has PMed me and is gladly going to pay the $10 on his lost bet. The $10 is also going to Ken's 4TH of July charity auction. Thanks coingame2000....you are a class act.
as for you Clevegreg here is a quick lesson:
Man will do this: 1. Make a bet 2. Lose the bet 3. Pay the bet 4. Move on with life
A boy will do this: 1. Make a bet 2. lose the bet 3. Pay the bet 4. Be ach, squal , moan , complain and cloud the issue that he lost the bet fair and square.
<< <i>The only crow I see here should be eaten by the submitter. The only way that the original claim can be proven correct from here is 9 consecutive MS66 results on 9 more tries: i.e. 90% chance of getting MS66. Facts are facts. "Eat crow?" Hardly. This is "cake." Let's stick to the original MS66 supposition as it was what the thread was all about, not about MS65 or AT. vs NT. roadrunner >>
No, not true. Anyone who bothers to re-read the thread will see the BET was MS-65.
But then again, no one asked for my opinion. After all, your are not supposed to give opinions on a public message board. So let me re-state: The BET was MS-65, and that is a FACT!!
Man will do this: 1. Make a bet 2. Lose the bet 3. Pay the bet 4. Move on with life
A boy will do this: 1. Make a bet 2. lose the bet 3. Pay the bet 4. Be ach, squal , moan , complain and cloud the issue that he lost the bet fair and square.
You fall into the latter catgory.
With all due respect, after rereading the thread it's obvious you basically badgered the man into making a bet he didn't want to make. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing rocks in that glass house?
OK Fivecents, this is my last post on this issue. Your name calling and distortion of the facts are getting real old.
1. I didn't think the coin would 66, you did and it did not. 2. You badgered me to bet you $10 that it wouldn't 65 which wasn't the point of your boasts in the original post. 3. I bet you $100 that it wouldn't 66, which you passed on.
I thought the coin was a 90% lock to 66.....what's with the bets that it will 65 now I'll bet you $100.00 that it doesn't 66 at PCGS
"It is a nice coin, based on your pics it just looks a little softly struck to 66, it could 65 . I will bet you that it wont't 66 . Grading from pics is always tough." Get Eric to get a better pic and we will talk about the coins merits. Based upon your original post and pic I still feel it won't make 66. Your the one who says the pic stinks, so you obviously have the "edge" if you can grade. If the $10 is so important to you, you have a bet on it not getting a 65 at PCGS. Next time you ooze out and say a coin will get X grade, it would be nice to see some backbone and stand by it.
4. I sent you a PM as soon as I saw that the coin had been graded, which is part of this post. 5. You never acknowleged my payment in this thread, so I did it for you. 6. I sent you my phone number so we could clear the air on this. You responded that you already have a girlfriend. 7. Calling me a "boy" and a "be ach" is way over the top.
It is clear that you have issues with your manhood that you are dealing with. Please refrain from any further comments.
I held up my end of the deal, which is alot more than you can say.
<< <i>With all due respect, after rereading the thread it's obvious you basically badgered the man into making a bet he didn't want to make. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing rocks in that glass house? >>
With all due respect, why don't you leave this smallfry wannabe alone bigboy and go play with your Vnickel.
Not being a party to any bet on this coin, I only held the poster to the original title to this thread. And that was clearly >90% chance of making MS66.
You can't tell from my crappy images, but this coin has OVER an 90% chance it will make MS66 at PCGS. It is in a capital plastics holder.
It seems some people have forgotten what this thread was about.
When one makes broad statements, you need to stand by them. I'd still like to have the issue of the MS66 settled as I am always interested in statements like "90% chance." Bringing mathematics into TPG grading is always a touchy subject. I stand by my factual statement:
<< The only crow I see here should be eaten by the submitter. The only way that the original claim can be proven correct from here is 9 consecutive MS66 results on 9 more tries: i.e. 90% chance of getting MS66. Facts are facts. "Eat crow?" Hardly. This is "cake." Let's stick to the original MS66 supposition as it was what the thread was all about, not about MS65 or AT. vs NT. roadrunner >>
No, not true. Anyone who bothers to re-read the thread will see the BET was MS-65.
But then again, no one asked for my opinion. After all, your are not supposed to give opinions on a public message board. So let me re-state: The BET was MS-65, and that is a FACT!!
That is indeed a fact. It also a fact that the seller is NOW WRONG and behind on his statement of this having an OVER 90% chance of going MS66 at PCGS. Without further submissions the original statement is wrong. Any one who "bothered" to read the opening post would understand where mathematics departs TPG grading.
From here, a minimum of 10 or more consecutive submissions are needed (all MS66 grade), to have a chance of getting > 90% MS66. Good luck Mr. Phelps to you and your MIF team.....................
<< <i>That is indeed a fact. It also a fact that the seller is probably wrong about this having a 90% chance of going MS66 at PCGS. Let's go ahead and submit this one more time so we can rest all doubts. >>
How is submitting this coin "one more time" going to prove that it had a 90% chance of going MS66. RR you need to go back to math class. Oops you edited your thread
Five Cents, you need to read better. Your last claim makes no sense. I made an error in first reading the post that you said that this coin had a 90% chance of going PCGS MS66. And since I like round numbes, I pick 10 submissions as a sound way of determining the real grade of a coin. Not 1 or 2 or 3. It takes probably 10 to come with a good consensus. 1 hit as 66 out of 10 tries gives you a 10 % success rate. 9 out of 10, a 90% hit rate. Hence, one miss does not toss you out of the game if you have 9 more tries left. You could still get >90% (90.9). Theoretically speaking.
But I re-read the orig post today and saw that you actually said OVER 90% chance. That means that for a 10 try shot, you already LOST. Nice game though. But I'll give you a second chance out of 11 tries, with 10 shots to go. You can still exeed 90%.
Re-editing post? Yeah, I do that a lot these days because usually what I post the first time has some things I decide shouldn't be said so I remove them. It's not the math as a rule. I did my obligatory 4 years of higher ed in mathematics, but can't say I remember a whole lot about topology and abstract algegra. And my typing stinks too as my thoughts are 10 miles ahead of my fingers. And rather than look like a total azz, I reread and then re-edit my posts, most of the time. Wouldn't need to if they had a word checker here.
I thought we had this resolved. I guess you wish to continue since you have once again resorted to childlike, and dangerous, name calling. I have a pretty long fuse, no one who KNOWS me wants to light it. Guess what jerk, you have accomplished that task. I haven't been called a wimp, a be ach ( never that one) or a boy probably since grade school. That person regreted his transgression, and you will too. People like you and Eric, oh he is you "buddy" isn't he, think they can harass and belittle a person with impunity from behind a screen name.
Delete your offending posts immediately. I would ask for an apology, but you don't strike me as being Man enough to do that.
TDN, I won't take you up on your bet as for all I know that 1861 was submitted once raw from an old time collection and achieved the grade .........but I'm definitely available to play with your V-nickel should some time become available!
Comments
There this other thread that comes to mind.....
Billy
Why is that? If someone posts an absolutely terrible pic of a coin and boldly states there is a better than 90% chance of it going MS66 at PCGS, plenty of opinions are going to flow. Those opinions are based on the information at hand - the picture. Once the information changed [Eric's better photo], opinions are bound to change..... crow eating not necessary - especially since it didn't 66.
And for what it's worth imo, any coin that has a 90% chance of making MS66 on resubmissions, is a killer MS66 by any measurement. One could probably call such a coin PQ+ or even high end/crackout material. The typical MS66 in a holder these days probably had a 30-70% chance on average of making MS66. There are plenty too that had a 1-30% chance that now reside in holders (can you say low end or mistakes?).
As someone already stated, "should" make MS66 at PCGS is an entirely diff animal. It "should" make MS66....if I submit it 25 times
(a 4% chance of making MS66).
roadrunner
"Fool me once same on me, fool me twice, won't happen
Ok your 90% chance of a 66 Morgan got a 65. I guess I owe you $10.00. Let me know your PayPal address and 'll send it to you.
Greg "
His reply was:
"Greg,
You are right it didn't MS66. I was not trying to fool you or anybody else, I stated a bunch of times that the picture didn't do the coin justice.
Please donate the $10 to Ken's 4th 0f july auction.
Thanks.
Paul "
I dont know a thing about Ken or his auction, and I had posted in this thread and via PM that he state that I was paying up. No response or comments left in the thread.
I owe Paul the $10.00 , he can donate it if he wants. I'm now getting a bit upset so i send the following:
I would actually prefer to pay you since your the dog who came up with the bet in the first place with your sleazy 90% chance blah blah and then accepting bets on a 65 instead. Tell me where to send it, and give me public recognition for upholding my part of the deal.
Then he sends me this
Why don't you post that on the public forum. You are a sore loser Greg. You had better stop with the name calling.
LOL what a wimp
Greg
Dear Gregory Drude,
This email confirms that you sent $10.00 USD to ksteelheader@aol.com.
-----------------------------------
Payment Details
-----------------------------------
Amount: $10.00 USD
Transaction ID: 98U667533T338252K
Subject: 4th of july
Note:
Here is the $10.00 Sounds like a good cause.
Regards,
Greg
<< <i>condolences to those who fell for the bait and switch >>
Oh go hump your feret.
Greg
'Keep us Posted'
TorinoCobra71
CG
<< <i>Good Luck on the MS66!
'Keep us Posted'
TorinoCobra71 >>
Russ, NCNE
I don't understand why all the flaming that went on by all parties. Seemed like a pretty straightforward bet and outcome.
as for you Clevegreg here is a quick lesson:
Man will do this:
1. Make a bet
2. Lose the bet
3. Pay the bet
4. Move on with life
A boy will do this:
1. Make a bet
2. lose the bet
3. Pay the bet
4. Be ach, squal , moan , complain and cloud the issue that he lost the bet fair and square.
You fall into the latter catgory.
<< <i>The only crow I see here should be eaten by the submitter. The only way that the original claim can be proven correct from here is 9 consecutive MS66 results on 9 more tries: i.e. 90% chance of getting MS66. Facts are facts. "Eat crow?" Hardly. This is "cake." Let's stick to the original MS66 supposition as it was what the thread was all about, not about MS65 or AT. vs NT.
roadrunner >>
No, not true. Anyone who bothers to re-read the thread will see the BET was MS-65.
But then again, no one asked for my opinion. After all, your are not supposed to give opinions on a public message board. So let me re-state: The BET was MS-65, and that is a FACT!!
Man will do this:
1. Make a bet
2. Lose the bet
3. Pay the bet
4. Move on with life
A boy will do this:
1. Make a bet
2. lose the bet
3. Pay the bet
4. Be ach, squal , moan , complain and cloud the issue that he lost the bet fair and square.
You fall into the latter catgory.
With all due respect, after rereading the thread it's obvious you basically badgered the man into making a bet he didn't want to make. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing rocks in that glass house?
1. I didn't think the coin would 66, you did and it did not.
2. You badgered me to bet you $10 that it wouldn't 65 which wasn't the point of your boasts in the original post.
3. I bet you $100 that it wouldn't 66, which you passed on.
I thought the coin was a 90% lock to 66.....what's with the bets that it will 65 now I'll bet you $100.00 that it doesn't 66 at PCGS
"It is a nice coin, based on your pics it just looks a little softly struck to 66, it could 65 . I will bet you that it wont't 66 . Grading from pics is always tough."
Get Eric to get a better pic and we will talk about the coins merits. Based upon your original post and pic I still feel it won't make 66. Your the one who says the pic stinks, so you obviously have the "edge" if you can grade.
If the $10 is so important to you, you have a bet on it not getting a 65 at PCGS.
Next time you ooze out and say a coin will get X grade, it would be nice to see some backbone and stand by it.
4. I sent you a PM as soon as I saw that the coin had been graded, which is part of this post.
5. You never acknowleged my payment in this thread, so I did it for you.
6. I sent you my phone number so we could clear the air on this. You responded that you already have a girlfriend.
7. Calling me a "boy" and a "be ach" is way over the top.
It is clear that you have issues with your manhood that you are dealing with. Please refrain from any further comments.
I held up my end of the deal, which is alot more than you can say.
<< <i>With all due respect, after rereading the thread it's obvious you basically badgered the man into making a bet he didn't want to make. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing rocks in that glass house? >>
With all due respect, why don't you leave this smallfry wannabe alone bigboy and go play with your Vnickel.
Edited out answering Greg's list.
You can't tell from my crappy images, but this coin has OVER an 90% chance it will make MS66 at PCGS. It is in a capital plastics holder.
It seems some people have forgotten what this thread was about.
When one makes broad statements, you need to stand by them.
I'd still like to have the issue of the MS66 settled as I am always interested in statements like "90% chance." Bringing mathematics into TPG grading is always a touchy subject. I stand by my factual statement:
<< The only crow I see here should be eaten by the submitter. The only way that the original claim can be proven correct from here is 9 consecutive MS66 results on 9 more tries: i.e. 90% chance of getting MS66. Facts are facts. "Eat crow?" Hardly. This is "cake." Let's stick to the original MS66 supposition as it was what the thread was all about, not about MS65 or AT. vs NT.
roadrunner >>
No, not true. Anyone who bothers to re-read the thread will see the BET was MS-65.
But then again, no one asked for my opinion. After all, your are not supposed to give opinions on a public message board. So let me re-state: The BET was MS-65, and that is a FACT!!
That is indeed a fact. It also a fact that the seller is NOW WRONG and behind on his statement of this having an OVER 90% chance of going MS66 at PCGS. Without further submissions the original statement is wrong. Any one who "bothered" to read the opening post would understand where mathematics departs TPG grading.
From here, a minimum of 10 or more consecutive submissions are needed (all MS66 grade), to have a chance of getting > 90% MS66. Good luck Mr. Phelps to you and your MIF team.....................
roadrunner
<< <i>That is indeed a fact. It also a fact that the seller is probably wrong about this having a 90% chance of going MS66 at PCGS. Let's go ahead and submit this one more time so we can rest all doubts. >>
How is submitting this coin "one more time" going to prove that it had a 90% chance of going MS66. RR you need to go back to math class.
Oops you edited your thread
<< <i>Good luck Mr. Phelps to you and your MIF team..................... >>
Thanks RR...If memory serves Mr Phelps and the MIF team always acomplished there Misson Impossable.
RR.....Please stop the multiple re-editting of the facts in your last post.
You could still get >90% (90.9). Theoretically speaking.
But I re-read the orig post today and saw that you actually said OVER 90% chance. That means that for a 10 try shot, you already LOST. Nice game though. But I'll give you a second chance out of 11 tries, with 10 shots to go. You can still exeed 90%.
Re-editing post? Yeah, I do that a lot these days because usually what I post the first time has some things I decide shouldn't be said so I remove them. It's not the math as a rule. I did my obligatory 4 years of higher ed in mathematics, but can't say I remember a whole lot about topology and abstract algegra. And my typing stinks too as my thoughts are 10 miles ahead of my fingers. And rather than look like a total azz, I reread and then re-edit my posts, most of the time. Wouldn't need to if they had a word checker here.
roadrunner
roadrunner
I thought we had this resolved. I guess you wish to continue since you have once again resorted to childlike, and dangerous, name calling. I have a pretty long fuse, no one who KNOWS me wants to light it. Guess what jerk, you have accomplished that task. I haven't been called a wimp, a be ach ( never that one) or a boy probably since grade school. That person regreted his transgression, and you will too. People like you and Eric, oh he is you "buddy" isn't he, think they can harass and belittle a person with impunity from behind a screen name.
Delete your offending posts immediately. I would ask for an apology, but you don't strike me as being Man enough to do that.
Greg
LOL! Perhaps I shall.
PS: you can't tell it from my pictures, but there's over a 90% chance this coin will 65 at PCGS. Anybody wanna bet?
V-nickel should some time become available!
roadrunner