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1895/4 S Barber Dime Variety??? It would be nice!

I received an 1895 S Barber dime in the mail today that I had recently won on EBAY. VERY happy to fill this hole in my book, I took a close look at the dime and noticed something odd. Look at the pictures below and tell me if I am crazy or not. The first picture is the 1895-S dime, the second is an overlay with an 1894 P (of course I didn;t have an 1894-S's on hand), and this final is the 1894 P by it self. Is it possible that there is an 1895/4-S Barber Variety????
Besides the line through the lower loop of the 5, there is a bulb on the left side of the lower loop and a notch/extension an the end of the upper bar in the 5 where the top of the 4 would protrude.
I am gonna try an image from Heritage of the 1894-s for a more accurate view. I'll work on better pictures.
Any ideas???
Thanks.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, that's pretty neat.

    I would never have thought it a possible 5/4 if you hadn't posted the superimposed pics like that.

    I have the Breen encyclopedia at home, but I am assuming you have already checked there?

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  • Not a 95/4-S(unless a discovery coin) but a breen 3495 is possible since the 5 is touching the bust. Look to see if there is any doubling of the s.
    Keith
  • ecosecos Posts: 391
    Sadly, I do not have a copy of Breen. One of these days.
    Are there details on the Breen 3495?
    Here is the mintmark. It's a bit worn, but it looks pretty thick across the middle. It could be double North/South.
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  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    Great photos! This could convince me as being a rare overdate. There is no mention of such in David Lawrence's "Complete Guide to Barber Dimes" or its predecessors. Breen mentions a double 95 (#3495) which is also Kevin Flynn's RPD-001 for the 1895-S mentioned in his recent "Authoritative Reference to Barber Dimes". Flynn provides good pictures, which look nothing like yours.

    My favorite reference for Barber Dime varieties was a now-defunct website maintained by Lindsay Ashburn ("barber" on eBay, and a stranger to online forums).

    PM me for an introduction to Lindsay. Hardly anyone else collects Barber Dimes by varieities, but yours looks intersting, especially given the scarcity of all 1895 issues.
    "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Hanlon's Razor
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    I just checked David Lawrence's book on Barber dimes...no mention of an 1895/4-S and also in Breen's ...there is no mention of an overdate dime, just doubled date or doubled mint mark.

    This is the most interesting discovery I have heard of other than learning of the existance of an 1898-O Micro O half dollar last year.

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  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    It's interesting, but I wouldn't want to say it is without seeing a higher grade specimen.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Excellent overlay photo! I have to agree with Conder101 about needing to see one that's less worn. What troubles me about the overdate theory is that whatever is there is so bold on the bottom half of the 5, yet is completely absent in the top part of the 5. And the loop of the 9 being closed gets me thinking that something other than an overdate is afoot here.

    But I hope I'm wrong, and that you found something very cool.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    The 9 being closed does not bother me since if it is an overdate it would actually be an 1895/1894 since four digit logotyes were being used at the time. f the 1894 logotype was just a little low the 9 could very easily be closed.
  • ecosecos Posts: 391
    I totally agree, a high grade specimen would be needed to confirm such an overdate.
    Condor, thanks for the insight about the logotype, that is a really good point.
    kranky, I agree, the missing lower part of the 4 is a bit troubling. When I did an overlay with the best picture I could find of an 1894-s, the lower part of the 4 did not extend as low as the 4 from the 1894-P. There appears to be a difference in the 4's. The San Francisco 4 appears to be more svelte and placed a little bit higher than the Philadelphia 4. This leads to a large portion of the foot of the 4 being incorporated into the lower loupe of the 5 and less so in the field. I have not put it under the microscope, but I gave a quick look for any indication of die abrasion or polishing where the lower part of the 4 would be in the field, but nothing to show for it. I'll keep looking!


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