Ebay is getting absolutely ridiculous ...
ChannelIslands
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... I looked at bidding on over one dozen Morgans "ending soon" on ebay today and all but one had obvious shill bidders running up the price. Ethics and character are running quite low in our country as of late ... and not just with the immigrants.
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<< <i>Ethics and character are running quite low in our country as of late ... and not just with the immigrants. >>
Somebody from the PC Police Dept. will be along shortly to castigate you.
Russ, NCNE
What are you talking about? The conservative Christian right has never been more been powerful in this country.
Seriously - you should find another forum (or hobby for all I care) rather than say ANYTHING like this here.
>>>My Collection
And your proof?
Any links?
<< <i><<Ethics and character are running quite low in our country as of late ... and not just with the immigrants. >>
What are you talking about? The conservative Christian right has never been more been powerful in this country.
Seriously - you should find another forum (or hobby for all I care) rather than say ANYTHING like this here. >>
Oh, geez.
<< <i>Methinks you are confusing sniping with shill bidding. >>
No ... I am talking about bidders with 0 to 2 feedbacks bidding on 20 of the seller's auctions over the last six months bidding at least 5 times per auction. Blatantly obvious shill bidding especially when I check the seller's other auctions that have closed in the last six months and ALL of them have the same pattern.
<< <i>... I looked at bidding on over one dozen Morgans "ending soon" on ebay today and all but one had obvious shill bidders running up the price. Ethics and character are running quite low in our country as of late ... and not just with the immigrants. >>
Sounds like you're frustrated. Tell how you really feel.
When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
Thomas Paine
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<< <i>Methinks you are confusing sniping with shill bidding. >>
No ... I am talking about bidders with 0 to 2 feedbacks bidding on 20 of the seller's auctions over the last six months bidding at least 5 times per auction. Blatantly obvious shill bidding especially when I check the seller's other auctions that have closed in the last six months and ALL of them have the same pattern. >>
Post some links! Let me investigate. The people on this forum will tell you that's what I love to do. Give me proof so we can NARU them.
<< <i>No ... I am talking about bidders with 0 to 2 feedbacks bidding on 20 of the seller's auctions over the last six months bidding at least 5 times per auction. Blatantly obvious shill bidding especially when I check the seller's other auctions that have closed in the last six months and ALL of them have the same pattern. >>
It happens. It sucks. No defending it here.
But the bottom line is, you know what you're willing to pay for a coin, an amount at or below which you're relatively happy to place the high bid.
Just bid that amount (accounting for shipping/insurance), as late as possible. Yes, it sucks if a shill takes a $40 high bid up to $80 on a coin you'd pay as much as $100 for, but if you still snipe at the end and take it for $81, you still got it for less than you were willing to pay.
it's sort of a glass half-full/half-empty thing.
<< <i>Lol ... conservative christian right does not equal ethics and/or character ... IMHO they have been the antithesis of such qualities in the last 20 years. >>
20 years? Antithesis? A very serious allegation that implies you are knowledgeable on the matter. Please briefly list 10 major issues that qualify as these Antitheses...10 issues so boldly defined as "Antihesis" should be easy for you to substantiate over the past 20 years...can't do it? I didn't think so - people that use loose over-generalizations as you do invariably cannot back them up with concrete, substantive evidence.
Go to the Open Forum with your anti-semetic and racial rhetoric...
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<< <i>Lol ... conservative christian right does not equal ethics and/or character ... IMHO they have been the antithesis of such qualities in the last 20 years. >>
20 years? Antithesis? A very serious allegation that implies you are knowledgeable on the matter. Please briefly list 10 major issues that qualify as these Antitheses...10 issues so boldly defined as "Antihesis" should be easy for you to substantiate over the past 20 years...can't do it? I didn't think so - people that use loose over-generalizations as you do invariably cannot back them up with concrete, substantive evidence.
Go to the Open Forum with your anti-semetic and racial rhetoric...
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They'll probably cut his tail and kick his ass outta there.
<< <i>Well, the simple solution is to know what the coins you are interested are worth, and to bid the most you are willing to pay as late in the auction as possible to avoid having your bid bumped up. >>
Exactly.OR just buy on the BST forum.
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<< <i>Lol ... conservative christian right does not equal ethics and/or character ... IMHO they have been the antithesis of such qualities in the last 20 years. >>
20 years? Antithesis? A very serious allegation that implies you are knowledgeable on the matter. Please briefly list 10 major issues that qualify as these Antitheses...10 issues so boldly defined as "Antihesis" should be easy for you to substantiate over the past 20 years...can't do it? I didn't think so - people that use loose over-generalizations as you do invariably cannot back them up with concrete, substantive evidence.
Go to the Open Forum with your anti-semetic and racial rhetoric... >>
Well ... my thread has been taken completely off topic ... however, in deference to your request:
hmmm ... a few issues common associated with the christian right that, to me, indicate a lack of ethics and/or character.
- lets kill abortion doctors to save the unborn
- sex outside of marriage is a sin ... unless of course you are one of the many many fundamentalist figureheads who have been caught humping their secretaries
- Jesus is the only way to heaven and everyone else is damned to hell ... for those of you who do not believe this, try to keep an open mind
- send us your money and you will be saved ... gotta love Benny Hin
Come on now, I am sure that you kinow the rest ... I am not arguing the merits of these issues, simply that the stereotypical fundamentalist position makes one question the proponents' ethics and character.
As for your accusation that I was being anti-semitic ... nice attempt to saddle me with another politically incorrect moniker, but if you review the thread, you will find that you are the only one who brought up the Jewish faith. Why don't we just stick to the things that I actually did say ... I am sure that my actual statements will provide you enough fodder for an emotional response? For that matter, I propose that we stick to my orginal topic of Ebay coin scammers and shill bidders ... DON'T YOU JUST HATE THEM???
Your isolated examples of a very few whackos proves nothing about those of Christian faith. It would be like me stating that since you're an idiot who bids stupid money on obvious scam auctions, all eBay bidders must also be idiots.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>For that matter, I propose that we stick to my orginal topic of Ebay coin scammers and shill bidders ... DON'T YOU JUST HATE THEM??? >>
Good idea. Now post the links of auctions you feel have been shilled. The only way to stop these scammers is to out them publically -- name 'em and shame 'em.
I think you're confusing immigrants with overseas con artists who sell fakes.
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Your isolated examples of a very few whackos proves nothing about those of Christian faith. It would be like me stating that since you're an idiot who bids stupid money on obvious scam auctions, all eBay bidders must also be idiots.
Russ, NCNE >>
Why do you guys keep trying to put words in my mouth. uofa1285 calls my statement anti-semitic when Jews were never mentioned. As for your implication, I did not indict "those of christian faith" as you indicate but rather the "conservative christian right" that was initially referred to by Artist ... there is a HUGE difference. I have enough controversial opinions to share as it is... you need not force new ones upon me.
In addition, yes, you are correct. I have made some uninformed purchases in my new found hobby that, in retrospect, seem less than wise. I appreciate the collective pool of knowledge that this board has to offer and enjoy utilizing this resource as my own kowledge continues to grow. However, I have never responded to anyone on this board in a disrescpectful manner, such as by referring to them as an idiot, regardless of whether I disagree with their point of view, and your remark will not change my resolve nor my particpation on this forum.
I officially extend an invitation to the Open Forum (It's near the bottom of the Forum List). Just post a introductory message there and everyone will give you a kind welcome. You can then post all of your coin questions there and people will treat you with the upmost kindness.
Yours Truly,
Self Indulgence | Holey Coins | Flickr Photostream
<< <i>ChannelIslands,
I officially extend an invitation to the Open Forum (It's near the bottom of the Forum List). Just post a introductory message there and everyone will give you a kind welcome. You can then post all of your coin questions there and people will treat you with the upmost kindness.
Yours Truly, >>
I agree whole-heartedly. I started this as a thread about currently running ebay coin scams and it was pulled WAY off topic. It doesn't even belong in the Open Forum, it belongs on on a website run by Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore.
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<< <i>ChannelIslands,
I officially extend an invitation to the Open Forum (It's near the bottom of the Forum List). Just post a introductory message there and everyone will give you a kind welcome. You can then post all of your coin questions there and people will treat you with the upmost kindness.
Yours Truly, >>
I agree whole-heartedly. I started this as a thread about currently running ebay coin scams and it was pulled WAY off topic. It doesn't even belong in the Open Forum, it belongs on on a website run by Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore. >>
So you're going to come over to the Open Forum then? Yay!
Self Indulgence | Holey Coins | Flickr Photostream
<< <i>Why do you guys keep trying to put words in my mouth. >>
<< <i>Well ... my thread has been taken completely off topic ... however, in deference to your request:
hmmm ... a few issues common associated with the christian right that, to me, indicate a lack of ethics and/or character.
- lets kill abortion doctors to save the unborn
- sex outside of marriage is a sin ... unless of course you are one of the many many fundamentalist figureheads who have been caught humping their secretaries
- Jesus is the only way to heaven and everyone else is damned to hell ... for those of you who do not believe this, try to keep an open mind
- send us your money and you will be saved ... gotta love Benny Hin >>
Looks like we also put them in your post.
Russ, NCNE
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Looks like we also put them in your post.
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Can we move on already??? Does it not say "CHRISTIAN RIGHT" and not "THOSE OF CHRISTIAN FAITH". Read before you post.
Ah, but YOU were the one who essentially opined in the same breath that all immigrants have low ethics and character. I expect such odious opinions from many folks here, but not someone who's actually been to Asia.
You're entitled to your opinions, and as far as I'm concerned you can voice them wherever you want, but surely you don't really believe that the course of the thread has been "pulled way off topic."
Tiger trout, Deerfield River, c. 2001.
There are many immigrant and first generation coin collectors who would rightfully take offense to that remark. Sure, you have every right to say whatever you want, but we also have every right to call you on it. Overall, I thought it was in poor taste and was disappointed that it came from you.
RYK ... yours is an opinion that I can appreciate and respect ... maybe you are right.
I am bored with this topic and am going to play golf ... have a nice day :-)
TorinoCobra71
<< <i>Does it not say "CHRISTIAN RIGHT" and not "THOSE OF CHRISTIAN FAITH". >>
A distinction without a difference.
Russ, NCNE
I do agree. There is a lot of shill bidding, and you can NARU them all you want. They will come back in a day or two.
But goes back to my old question:
Why*does*anyone*bid*coins*on*eBay?????????? Unless you're Russ and know what you're doing...
<< <i>OK ... so the moderators are editing my posts now ... discussion over. >>
Condemning ten out of every eleven is pretty close to condemning all, but I'll grant you it's not quite there.
Either way, since speech is free here (K6AZ's regulatory attempts notwithstanding), here's my two cents to you: Pffffft!
Tiger trout, Deerfield River, c. 2001.
<< <i>Hello Fletcher. >>
Is this for sure, Doc? Uncovering alt's is fun
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
maybe this is the same case
DAVID
Tyler
Well put, Russ.