PCI graded coins, opinions please

DUIGUY · April 26, 2005 7:42AM

Good bad indifferant?????

Looks like the pierced ear variety.

Sorry Guess I dont have the brains for pics!!!!

relayer · April 26, 2005 7:44AM

All three

Old PCI green labels with low numbers are usually conservativly graded.

Russ · April 26, 2005 7:51AM

I find PCI's current grading standard to be somewhat less than acceptable.

Russ, NCNE

TheRock · April 26, 2005 8:06AM

They seem to grade their coins way HIGH. At least 1-2 points above what NGC and PCGS would grade them. Be careful.

DUIGUY · April 26, 2005 8:11AM

The reason for the question is DLRC had a 89cc PCI VF20 for sale. I liked the look of the coin and bought it.

TheRock · April 26, 2005 8:17AM

I do NOT want to scare you out of the coin. If you like the coin, the hell with the grader no matter who it is.

t3rr0r1sm · April 26, 2005 8:21AM

PCI coins are over graded.
I stopped looking at their slabs after researching for 5 minutes with google

and of course examing their slabs next to others via pictures.

Russ · April 26, 2005 8:23AM

They're a solid company, so if you get the coin in-hand and it's not up to snuff you'll be fine since you can return it without hassle.

Russ, NCNE

100proof1957 · April 26, 2005 8:32AM

From what i have seen the Gold slabs are crappola.

Some green slabs are OK,just bought a Roosie thats a shot Cameo for cheap.

I understand that Hallmark was bought by PCI,seems as though PCI was Photo Coin Institute in the late 80's.

Condor would know about the lineage.

DUIGUY · April 26, 2005 9:40AM

ttt

Russ · April 26, 2005 9:41AM

<< file:///A:/125509_lg.jpg >>

You're linking to your floppy drive.

Russ, NCNE

BigGreek · April 26, 2005 9:55AM

I can't see the picture but I can say the PCI has been
the source of much frustration and disappointment for
me. I don't know how well they are on toning and
athentication but their grading should be discounted
by 2 points in MS grades.

Myqqy · April 26, 2005 11:28AM

I have had some really good success finding great coins in pci holders- mostly old green holders and the really old photo certified holders. It helps to know the distinctions between their various holders over the years, and it helps to be able to grade for yourself.....

ttown · April 26, 2005 1:04PM

I brought the MS64+ to break out and fill up my Dasco and the set looks great

They're much more constant than looking at a bad picture of a raw coin and a description that says "Gem".

coinbuf · April 26, 2005 1:40PM

Old green label holders can be good buys, the newer gold labels will generaly drop a grade or two if crossed.

Chris

K6AZ · April 27, 2005 4:39AM

t3rr0r1sm wrote:

<< PCI coins are over graded.
I stopped looking at their slabs after researching for 5 minutes with google

and of course examing their slabs next to others via pictures. >>

How interesting. I say the same thing about ACG coins, but in your words over on the eBay board, "K6AZ's ACG site is propaganda".

I find it rather interesting that you have a lot to say about me on a board where I don't post, but don't have the gnads to say anything here. Why is that?

eBay thread

Russ · April 27, 2005 4:56AM

<< << PCI coins are over graded.
I stopped looking at their slabs after researching for 5 minutes with google

and of course examing their slabs next to others via pictures. >>

How interesting. I say the same thing about ACG coins, but in your words over on the eBay board, "K6AZ's ACG site is propaganda". >>

OWNED!

Russ, NCNE

ziggy29 · April 27, 2005 5:00AM

I don't think a place like DLRC would offer something in PCI plastic unless it was reasonably close to the same grade that "the majors" would assign. Was it in a green-label slab? I'd be shocked if it was a gold label and graded accurately.

In any event, as Russ said, they're a reputable operation so your only real downside could be shipping charges if you need to return it.

Russ · April 27, 2005 5:04AM

<< Go ACG! Get some money if you can. I am betting all the involved parties who defamed you pretty much thought it all out. Everything just smells fishy. It also should not be too hard to prove if you dug up your dirt before crying foul.

And if on the long shot Eric is reading this, please kiss my butt for putting up propaganda like that.

...t3rr0r1sm >>

Yep, the little snarf probably thought that wouldn't come back to bite him on the ass.

Russ, NCNE

Myqqy · April 27, 2005 5:14AM

Now this thread is starting to get interesting......

ziggy29 · April 27, 2005 5:17AM

<< 

<< Go ACG! Get some money if you can. I am betting all the involved parties who defamed you pretty much thought it all out. Everything just smells fishy. It also should not be too hard to prove if you dug up your dirt before crying foul.

And if on the long shot Eric is reading this, please kiss my butt for putting up propaganda like that.

...t3rr0r1sm >>

>>

Maybe this person simply approves of the type of legal t3rr0r1sm coming from Longwood, Florida.

ss350camaro · April 27, 2005 5:22AM

<<

<< Go ACG! Get some money if you can. I am betting all the involved parties who defamed you pretty much thought it all out. Everything just smells fishy. It also should not be too hard to prove if you dug up your dirt before crying foul.

And if on the long shot Eric is reading this, please kiss my butt for putting up propaganda like that.

...t3rr0r1sm >>

<< 

<< << PCI coins are over graded.
I stopped looking at their slabs after researching for 5 minutes with google

and of course examing their slabs next to others via pictures. >>

How interesting. I say the same thing about ACG coins, but in your words over on the eBay board, "K6AZ's ACG site is propaganda". >>

OWNED!

Russ, NCNE >>

yep, these things tend to come around and bite you right on the a$$ when you least expect it

K6AZ · April 27, 2005 5:24AM

<< 

<< Go ACG! Get some money if you can. I am betting all the involved parties who defamed you pretty much thought it all out. Everything just smells fishy. It also should not be too hard to prove if you dug up your dirt before crying foul.

And if on the long shot Eric is reading this, please kiss my butt for putting up propaganda like that.

...t3rr0r1sm >>

Yep, the little snarf probably thought that wouldn't come back to bite him on the ass.

Russ, NCNE >>

I was notified of that thread almost immediately. I'll give everyone here a hint: This ID was created virtually at the same time on both eBay and here. On the eBay board, he seems rather fond of ACG don't you think? And over here he plays good citizen fitting in, all the time not realizing that a lot of people read that board, though most don't post to it.

The bottom line is this guy is a plant. I strongly suggest that no one gets too cozy with him, I suspect all information obtained by this plant is being funneled back to the plaintiffs in a certain federal lawsuit that involves this board.

etexmike · April 27, 2005 5:27AM

I bought a proof 1937 Walker that was graded 65 Cam by PCI.

I knew there was no way it would cam at either NGC or PCGS but loved the frosty look of the devices.

Bought the coin, cracked it and had it slabbed. It now sits in a 64 holder which is what I thought it should grade.

I would think 1 or 2 points off is correct. As long as you pay the right price for the coin, go for it.

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etexmike

Myqqy · April 27, 2005 5:55AM

The bottom line is this guy is a plant.

If he's a plant, he chose an interesting screen name, no?

K6AZ · April 27, 2005 5:57AM

<< The bottom line is this guy is a plant.

If he's a plant, he chose an interesting screen name, no?

>>

As I have said before, we're not dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.

ss350camaro · April 27, 2005 5:59AM

in my best Rod Serling voice: "Welcome to the Twilight Zone"

Myqqy · April 27, 2005 6:00AM

As I have said before, we're not dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Cameonut · April 27, 2005 8:13AM

There was a recent Ebay auction for a PCI PR69 dcam Franklin that crossed to PCGS PR65 dcam. Coin sold for about $40 if I remember right. Draw your own conclusions from this data point - realize it is only one data point.

DUIGUY · April 27, 2005 8:44AM

Received coin in the mail today. DLRC picked a good one. Am very pleased with coin in hand.

Sorry to disrupt the flaming!!!

Allso won my first ebay auction today, 79cc NGC 62 GSA capped die. When it rains it pours!!!!

ziggy29 · April 27, 2005 8:46AM

<< Received coin in the mail today. DLRC picked a good one. Am very pleased with coin in hand. >>

Not surprised from DLRC. Some random hack from eBay, yes, I'd say you lucked out tremendously if it was nice for the grade, but as I said earlier, I'd be surprised if DLRC was passing gold-label VG-10 or F-12 garbage as a VF-20 '89-CC.

K6AZ · April 27, 2005 9:02AM

<< Received coin in the mail today. DLRC picked a good one. Am very pleased with coin in hand.

Sorry to disrupt the flaming!!!

Allso won my first ebay auction today, 79cc NGC 62 GSA capped die. When it rains it pours!!!! >>

DUIguy, I would have called him on it via PM. Problem is the wuss has his PM turned off.

ibzman350 · April 27, 2005 9:13AM

PCI... No opinion either way!!

Good work boys and girls..

His first few post didn't fit right with me. I smelled a rat from day 1.

Herb

Myqqy · April 27, 2005 9:17AM

DUIguy, here's a couple of (crappy) pics of one of my old photo certified slabs......

It's a whole lotta plastic!

DUIGUY · April 27, 2005 9:18AM

DUIguy, I would have called him on it via PM. Problem is the wuss has his PM turned off.

No PM; No balls no glory!!!!
I enjoyed the dicussion. Funny how a persons views have a tendancy to change with the circumstances.

Russ · April 27, 2005 11:11AM

<< Sorry to disrupt the flaming!!! >>

That's okay, just see that it doesn't happen again.

Russ, NCNE

amercoin · April 27, 2005 11:17AM

The 3 PCI ms 64 morgan coins that i broke out and sent to PCGS. All 3 came back MS 65. I will say i looked at about 75-100 pci slabs to find the 3 coins i sent to pcgs.

DUIGUY · April 27, 2005 11:20AM

<< 

<< Sorry to disrupt the flaming!!! >>

That's okay, just see that it doesn't happen again.

Russ, NCNE >>

You can count on me!! Hate to mess with a good flame that exudes all that warmth!!!

K6AZ · April 27, 2005 4:43PM

Hmmm... wondering if the wuss t3rr0r1sm is ever going to have the balls to post here again. Most likely not, but you never know.

dorkkarl · April 27, 2005 8:03PM

pci is just another brand of plastic. crack the coin out, & fuggetaboutit.

K S

RYK · April 27, 2005 8:15PM

How did I miss this one?

I suspect he will be back.

K6AZ · April 29, 2005 12:59PM

ttt

DUIGUY · April 29, 2005 1:42PM

Now I know what PCI stands for; Pissing, Crying, Insulting.. Learning all the time.

Even a fool is considered wise if he knows when to keep his mouth shut.

ss350camaro · April 29, 2005 1:50PM

<< 

<< 

<< Sorry to disrupt the flaming!!! >>

That's okay, just see that it doesn't happen again.

Russ, NCNE >>

You can count on me!! Hate to mess with a good flame that exudes all that warmth!!!

>>

K6AZ · April 29, 2005 2:02PM

Warman · April 29, 2005 2:11PM

Don't even bother. People love to have PCI graded coins then use the PCGS price guide to value them..........NOT!!!!!Just look at some of the online auctions and the prices realized and you'll see what I mean.
I have a SUPERB PCI- graded MS70 1988 Silver Eagle........with the biggest freakin fingerprint from man-hands on the reverse. I don't think so.

lordmarcovan · April 29, 2005 2:17PM

What relayer said.

<< All three

Old PCI green labels with low numbers are usually conservativly graded. >>

beep · April 29, 2005 2:34PM

Where's the coin?

Like a linky to pic of this coin.

megaradcoins · April 29, 2005 2:42PM

I know that is the general opinion on PCI, but answer this one...

I got a ANACS Peace $ graded MS61 at an auction, cracked the slab & sent it to PCI -- came back AU58 Cleaned!!

I think this was a case where some big dealer sent it to ANACS and they looked the other way on it. It can't be an opinion thing because ANACS said MS & PCI said cleaned, hard to say ANACS could have missed that.

WDYT?

beep · April 29, 2005 2:51PM

Hi I respect your opinion. Buy maybe PCI didn't grade your coin correctly. If this was my coin id resubmit the coin to anacs or send it to pcgs.

Brian

GTS · April 29, 2005 3:04PM

Really, why would anybody even know PCI'S address.
GTS

PCI graded coins, opinions please

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