That does nothing to warn the eBay community. People like you are the reason the feedback system is a useless joke.
Russ. Is this Thread not a warning to the selling community. I agree with you. The feedback system IS a worthless joke. Why should I carry someones retaliatory negative through eternity. That is an issue that Ebay needs to address.
Again, Russ, I gtee that these shenanigans will get him bounced Fast......are you willing to accept my wager?
<< <i>Is this Thread not a warning to the selling community. >>
No, it isn't. The vast majority of eBay sellers have never been to this forum.
<< <i>I agree with you. The fedback system IS a worthless joke. >>
Then stop being part of the problem, and start being part of the solution by posting negative feedback when it is warranted. If this guy doesn't pay for a $1500 coin, other sellers need to know about that.
<< <i>That does nothing to warn the eBay community. People like you are the reason the feedback system is a useless joke.
Russ. Is this Thread not a warning to the selling community. I agree with you. The feedback system IS a worthless joke. Why should I carry someones retaliatory negative through eternity. That is an issue that Ebay needs to address.
Again, Russ, I gtee that these shenanigans will get him bounced Fast......are you willing to accept my wager? >>
Why are you here on a forum running your mouth about this when you could have notified ebay and had his auction pulled? Do you crave the attention more so than getting a simple result??
Why are you here on a forum running your mouth about this when you could have notified ebay and had his auction pulled? Do you crave the attention more so than getting a simple result?? .
I am not yet certain that this fellows intentions are not to pay for the coin. Generally if someone is running a scam, they will simply lift images from a closed sale, without first making a purchase. I agree with the consensus that the feedback system is a joke. But clearly with 79 positives, he has satisfied a number of sellers. I will get Ebay on the line now, and get some more info.
He is minutes away from takeing a huge loss on all the dimes he bought from centsles last month. At least he waited to have them in-hand. I think he needs to find a new way of trying to make money.
This is really pretty simple. If this guy stiffs you on a $1500 purchase after pulling this stunt, he deserves negative feedback. If you don't give him what he deserves, than you're a spineless wimp more concerned about your feedback rating than doing the right thing.
I have to agree with Russ and Ken. You have an obligation to neg any buyer or seller that sincerely deserves it. The feedback system is there for a reason and I for one most certainly use it.
A serious bidder will not only check your feedback, but will look closely at the reason behind any negs against you.
If I see that a seller has a retaliatory neg against him, I not only dismiss it, I think even higher of him for not being cowardly. Besides, eBay has removed unwarrented negs under certain circumstances.
This is really pretty simple. If this guy stiffs you on a $1500 purchase after pulling this stunt, he deserves negative feedback. If you don't give him what he deserves, than you're a spineless wimp more concerned about your feedback rating than doing the right thing.
I respectfully reject your words of angst. This fella will not last long on Ebay. His negatives will mean nothing a week from now.
<< <i>I respectfully reject your words of angst. This fella will not last long on Ebay. His negatives will mean nothing a week from now. >>
Mark, regardless of how long you THINK/ESTIMATE the guy might last on Ebay, what about the potential harm he might do others (who are unaware of his antics) in the interim?
I guess this really does boil down to whether an Ebayer has any obligation to warn others through feeedback. Either way, this again highlights the poor feedback system currently in place - Ebay should do away with obviously retaliatory negatives, period.
If that were true, then why are you afraid of him giving you a neg?
When one leaves a negative, deserved or not, the other party has a free chance to neg you back. Ebay will not back you up, under any circumstance. A few years ago, I purchased an expensive coin from a dealer in California. After the auction was over, he informed me that to accept Paypal (which was offered in his listing), I would have to pay a 3% fee. This is against Ebay and Paypal rules, as well as California law. The sellers account was suspended and we exchanged Negs. Ebay told me to go fly a kite. That damn negative still aggravates me.
I know many will disagree, but I believe that any serious seller is a fool to ever leave a negative on Ebay. Most learn this early, and that is why the system is worthless.
The non paying bidder alert works much better. Serious offenders should be reported to the trust and safety department.
I wouldn't mind if eBay REQUIRED feedback be posted in all auctions. The old saying "If you can't say something nice, say nothing" has no place whatsoever on eBay.
If an eBay user wants to lie for fear of retaliation and state that a crappy buyer/seller was "A++++", nobody can stop that. But markglicker doesn't strike me as the lieing type. He would do the right thing and nail this guy to the wall.
Geezum! You've got 1,565 feedbacks with only 1 neg. Even if your neg was 100% justified (and it wasn't), I'd still bid on one of your auctions without batting an eye.
Now if you had more than 20 negs, I'd have to take a closer look. But with a 99.94% satisfaction rating, I'm bidding.
Shamika, unfortunately, Ebay is transferring their responsibility to the community of users. This would be fine, if they would better support us in obvious abuse cases. They are extremely reluctant to help. Should you get a negative, they jump in to sell you their square trade service, for $25, to get the negative mutually removed. Complaints should be directed to Ebay in this regard. I do believe that 8 or 10 extra negatives is a burden on a seller, and after a few months, people will not take the time to examine the circumstances.
<< <i>Should you get a negative, they jump in to sell you their square trade service, for $25, to get the negative mutually removed. >>
While you should never be afraid to leave a negative when justified, I'll admit that if the above statement is true, eBay is taking advantage of situation.
Can you please post what you have emailed him so far?
You probably should just inquire about him paying you and not mention knowledge of his unsuccessful attempt at flipping the coin until you are sure he is a deadbeat.
Your only concern right now should be getting the $1,500; you can debate feedback when the time comes.
<< <i>It's happened to me before. In one case, a bidder who had PayPaled right away, listed the coin at $1 open with no reserve and lost his ass.
You love to slam flowinghair/Legend for not living up to your expectations of right and wrong. Suggestion: STFU and do the right thing. Food for thought: flowinghair has dispensed (non-retaliatory) negs (at least once that I can recall).
Well, I must be doing something right. I am neck and neck with Legend on the post count today. To Russ, and EVillagePeople, I say, thanks for the unvarnished comments. I have faced much worse, mostly from relatives.
<< <i>This is really pretty simple. If this guy stiffs you on a $1500 purchase after pulling this stunt, he deserves negative feedback. If you don't give him what he deserves, than you're a spineless wimp more concerned about your feedback rating than doing the right thing.
I don't know who dishes what out, but I was always under the mistaken impression that this forum was to discuss coins. I thought the open forum was the place where you flamed people?
I heard they were making a French version of Medal of Honor. I wonder how many hotkeys it'll have for "surrender."
Have you been in contact with your buyer, as was suggested and as you'd indicated you would be? If not, try it. If so, what did he say?
I have had no response to two emails. He is doing the same thing with another 82-CC, this one was $1750. My concern now is that he may be trying to burn the buyers. Ebay didn't seem to be concerned.
Coin is relisted, and his money is now no good. Let him "splain" that, to Ebay and the auction winner. My finger is tentatively on the NEG button. Stay tuned, and thanks for the help.
<< <i>I don't know who dishes what out, but I was always under the mistaken impression that this forum was to discuss coins. I thought the open forum was the place where you flamed people? >>
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<< <i>Russ. The ammo is called the non paying bidder alert. >>
That does nothing to warn the eBay community. People like you are the reason the feedback system is a useless joke.
<< <i>If this fellow doesn't pay, I will wager a BU Silver Panda, that I have him NARU'd, by Wednesday of this week. >>
It takes three NPB's from three different sellers to do so.
Russ, NCNE
Edited to add: Darn your fast today Russ, while I was typing concerning three NPB reports, you had already posted.
Russ. Is this Thread not a warning to the selling community. I agree with you. The feedback system IS a worthless joke. Why should I carry someones retaliatory negative through eternity. That is an issue that Ebay needs to address.
Again, Russ, I gtee that these shenanigans will get him bounced Fast......are you willing to accept my wager?
<< <i>Is this Thread not a warning to the selling community. >>
No, it isn't. The vast majority of eBay sellers have never been to this forum.
<< <i>I agree with you. The fedback system IS a worthless joke. >>
Then stop being part of the problem, and start being part of the solution by posting negative feedback when it is warranted. If this guy doesn't pay for a $1500 coin, other sellers need to know about that.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>That does nothing to warn the eBay community. People like you are the reason the feedback system is a useless joke.
Russ. Is this Thread not a warning to the selling community. I agree with you. The feedback system IS a worthless joke. Why should I carry someones retaliatory negative through eternity. That is an issue that Ebay needs to address.
Again, Russ, I gtee that these shenanigans will get him bounced Fast......are you willing to accept my wager? >>
Why are you here on a forum running your mouth about this when you could have notified ebay and had his auction pulled? Do you crave the attention more so than getting a simple result??
I am not yet certain that this fellows intentions are not to pay for the coin. Generally if someone is running a scam, they will simply lift images from a closed sale, without first making a purchase. I agree with the consensus that the feedback system is a joke. But clearly with 79 positives, he has satisfied a number of sellers. I will get Ebay on the line now, and get some more info.
Stay tuned.
<< <i>But clearly with 79 positives, he has satisfied a number of sellers. >>
Right!! Probably had another 79 wimps, like smoeone else we know, that were afraid of giving negatives!
He is the unwitting Robin Hood of coins
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits, with one who is unarmed.
<< <i>Right!! Probably had another 79 wimps, like smoeone else we know, that were afraid of giving negatives!
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits, with one who is unarmed. >>
What happened to your arms???
Russ, NCNE
A serious bidder will not only check your feedback, but will look closely at the reason behind any negs against you.
If I see that a seller has a retaliatory neg against him, I not only dismiss it, I think even higher of him for not being cowardly. Besides, eBay has removed unwarrented negs under certain circumstances.
I respectfully reject your words of angst. This fella will not last long on Ebay. His negatives will mean nothing a week from now.
<< <i> His negatives will mean nothing a week from now. >>
If that were true, then why are you afraid of him giving you a neg?
<< <i>I respectfully reject your words of angst. This fella will not last long on Ebay. His negatives will mean nothing a week from now. >>
Mark, regardless of how long you THINK/ESTIMATE the guy might last on Ebay, what about the potential harm he might do others (who are unaware of his antics) in the interim?
I guess this really does boil down to whether an Ebayer has any obligation to warn others through feeedback. Either way, this again highlights the poor feedback system currently in place - Ebay should do away with obviously retaliatory negatives, period.
When one leaves a negative, deserved or not, the other party has a free chance to neg you back. Ebay will not back you up, under any circumstance. A few years ago, I purchased an expensive coin from a dealer in California. After the auction was over, he informed me that to accept Paypal (which was offered in his listing), I would have to pay a 3% fee. This is against Ebay and Paypal rules, as well as California law. The sellers account was suspended and we exchanged Negs. Ebay told me to go fly a kite. That damn negative still aggravates me.
I know many will disagree, but I believe that any serious seller is a fool to ever leave a negative on Ebay. Most learn this early, and that is why the system is worthless.
The non paying bidder alert works much better. Serious offenders should be reported to the trust and safety department.
If an eBay user wants to lie for fear of retaliation and state that a crappy buyer/seller was "A++++", nobody can stop that. But markglicker doesn't strike me as the lieing type. He would do the right thing and nail this guy to the wall.
<< <i>Ebay will not back you up, under any circumstance. >>
Not true. While it is difficult, several users on this forum have in fact had negs removed.
Now if you had more than 20 negs, I'd have to take a closer look. But with a 99.94% satisfaction rating, I'm bidding.
<< <i>The sellers account was suspended and we exchanged Negs. >>
When you say suspended, do you mean NARU'd?
<< <i>Should you get a negative, they jump in to sell you their square trade service, for $25, to get the negative mutually removed. >>
While you should never be afraid to leave a negative when justified, I'll admit that if the above statement is true, eBay is taking advantage of situation.
At least he's poetic about his lack of interest in leaving appropriate negs........
You probably should just inquire about him paying you and not mention knowledge of his unsuccessful attempt at flipping the coin until you are sure he is a deadbeat.
Your only concern right now should be getting the $1,500; you can debate feedback when the time comes.
<< <i>It's happened to me before. In one case, a bidder who had PayPaled right away, listed the coin at $1 open with no reserve and lost his ass.
Russ, NCNE >>
Did you neg him?
<< <i><< It's happened to me before. In one case, a bidder who had PayPaled right away, listed the coin at $1 open with no reserve and lost his ass.
Russ, NCNE >>
Did you neg him? >>
Did you miss the part where my bidder actually paid for the coin before listing it?
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>
<< <i><< It's happened to me before. In one case, a bidder who had PayPaled right away, listed the coin at $1 open with no reserve and lost his ass.
Russ, NCNE >>
Did you neg him? >>
Did you miss the part where my bidder actually paid for the coin before listing it?
Russ, NCNE >>
Yea, I missed it.
If Mark does get paid, do still think the buyer deserves a neg?
Even with the lack of business savvy I believe the buyer will pay to protect his 100% feedback so he could continue to sell coins at a loss.
<< <i>If Mark does get paid, do still think the buyer deserves a neg? >>
No. I've made it very clear throughout the discussion that the buyer deserves a neg if he doesn't pay.
Russ, NCNE
You love to slam flowinghair/Legend for not living up to your expectations of right and wrong. Suggestion: STFU and do the right thing. Food for thought: flowinghair has dispensed (non-retaliatory) negs (at least once that I can recall).
BTW, STFU is optional, so long as you DTRT.
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<< <i>Russ, you've made your point. Why is it necessary to continue insulting the guy? Is it not enough to call him a "spineless wimp" once? >>
I'm just getting warmed up.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>This is really pretty simple. If this guy stiffs you on a $1500 purchase after pulling this stunt, he deserves negative feedback. If you don't give him what he deserves, than you're a spineless wimp more concerned about your feedback rating than doing the right thing.
Russ, NCNE >>
Damn right!
My gut feeling is that he will. I think he is just getting a bit desperate. Stay tuned.
<< <i>Suggestions, please >>
Have you been in contact with your buyer, as was suggested and as you'd indicated you would be? If not, try it. If so, what did he say?
<< <i>I will wager a BU Silver Panda, that I have him NARU'd, by Wednesday of this week. >>
In two more days, he'll be gone anyway.
Russ, NCNE
Have you been in contact with your buyer, as was suggested and as you'd indicated you would be? If not, try it. If so, what did he say?
I have had no response to two emails. He is doing the same thing with another 82-CC, this one was $1750. My concern now is that he may be trying to burn the buyers. Ebay didn't seem to be concerned.
<< <i>I notified the winning bidder, today. I am also relisting the coin, with this guy blocked. >>
Mark, you get a B+ so far. You get an A, AFTER you leave the negative feedback (assuming of course that you don't get paid, etc.).
<< <i>Coin is relisted, and his money is now no good. >>
What's the new auction number? I couldn't find it by looking at your auctions.
fusion2001's new auction ended successfully, although he's not going to make any money on it. Maybe he should have put his reserve higher?
#3970780241.
<< <i>I don't know who dishes what out, but I was always under the mistaken impression that this forum was to discuss coins. I thought the open forum was the place where you flamed people? >>
Oh, boy!!