Attempt to scam someone using manofcoins' coin- UPDATE

Boom · March 15, 2005 2:33AM

Man, this fool picked the wrong person to send this crap to. This was manofcoins' PCGS 67 1934 Washington, auctioned last night for well over $1200 and this idiot sender would have me believe I got a second chance from Craig when I am so far down the list of bidders that it's pitiful.

I am posting this in case anyone else receives this and does not know that the address within this email, complete with misspelled words, is NOT Craig's. Also, all the old timers here know that ebay and paypal address you by your name and not like THIS:
*****************************************************************************************************
Dear eBay member,
You expressed interest in 1934-P Washington qtr PCGS MS 67 ~gorgeous coin~

Item (#3963137145) by bidding, however the auction has ended with another member as the high bidder. In compliance with eBay policy, the seller is making this Second Chance
Offer to you at your bid price.The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer because either the winning bidder was unable to complete the transaction or the seller has duplicate items for sale.This deal will be throught eBay Inc,so if you are interested,
please contact the seller of this item at: donald_terry2@yahoo.com
To learn more about Second Chance Offer go to:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/personal_offer.html
Thank you, eBay, Inc.

RYK · March 15, 2005 2:40AM

I had the same thing happen to me when I bid on one of John Maben's coins. I strung the scammer along for a few emails over a few days letting him think that I was going to send cash ($1200) via Western Union to him in Spain.

Russ · March 15, 2005 2:53AM

Unfortunately, these pitifully feeble attempts sometimes work. One of my underbidders got taken for a grand with the second chance offer scam.

Russ, NCNE

Boom · March 15, 2005 2:59AM

Yeah you're right Russ. If any of the underbidders fall for this crap this monkey with a laptop will make a killing. This is precisely why I want to alert particularly the newcomers around here.

Boom · March 15, 2005 3:03AM

Now woah. Something just clicked. I'm so far down the list just how did this guy get my email address? THAT sure needs to be tended to by eBay

Excuse me a minute, I've got a point to make elsewhere. I need to check something out.

dwsblue · March 15, 2005 3:03AM

Thanks for the heads up.

Boom · March 15, 2005 5:38AM

This guy is dangerous. This complex and I'm about to demonstrate,"why." More than one computer is involved and the return path is actually eBay. That doesn't make sense. How did a person that doesn't own the item offer it thru eBay? The last post down at the bottom has eBay as the return path.

cosmicdebris · March 15, 2005 6:21AM

These

need to be stopped. A friend of mine got taken for $800. eBay would do nothing to help and law enforcement had no way to catch him.

RickMilauskas · March 15, 2005 6:40AM

BOOM,

This may ease your concerns a bit. The bozo who "second0chanced" you probably does not have your email address. Whe some tries to contact a unsuccessful bidder in anyone's auction. eBay automatically forwards their message to you at your email address.

I guess then it's not considered spam but an email from eBay.

Boom · March 15, 2005 6:44AM

I went into the allowed email and everyplace I had just the word eBay, I wrote out the exact address. I did away with a suspicious looking one that read eBay153020419.281429. If it's legit, I'll find out. If it's not, I'll find out.
eBay needs real security instead of these jelly donut eating

GAT · March 15, 2005 6:55AM

The way to stop this fraud is to eliminate second chance offers. Will eBay do it? I seriously doubt it.

Boom · March 15, 2005 6:58AM

My pleasure Craig. Hmmmm, just consider the odds. huh! Rick, the header has from ebay as "From" and "To" my email address. When I contacted live chat we went round and round as usual. I asked him straight up...just how did this monkey get my address when I was way down the bidder's pole. I'm not about to click on that link but the point is, if he can beat the Spam Blaocker by simply writing from eBay, then if I have them as a trusted site he can beat the firewall. Oh uh uh. We've already fixed all that! NO MO Ebay as a Trusted site, SO sorry!

This is but one instance that when (What was his Name? Cobb maybe) emailed everyone and made the mistake of saying he not only welcomed but would answer email, that he got an earful from me. I do not agree that everybody should be able to know everybody else's business.

Perfect example and we all know it's true. Here we go, OK, search by bidder, let's see what Rick or Russ or B00M or manofcoins is bidding on. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IMHO but worse still, let's see what they won, who they won it from and how much they paid. This can and does lead to some BAD Blood. I, for one, do not think it should be allowed. Man, talk about looking over your shoulder and knowing all your business. That SUX.

Boom · March 15, 2005 7:23AM

Gotta check it out elsewhere. No idea how he got everyone's email addresses. Another great way to promote all this BS that goes on on eBay

Boom · March 15, 2005 9:11AM

No, only the seller can see the buyer's address as it appears on the item's page which still leaves the question unanswered. How did he get my and everyone else's addresses? BTW, this was a given going in when I told eBay it was fraudulant.

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to report this email.

The message you received is fraudulent and is not from eBay's Second
Chance Offer program. In addition, the sender is attempting to sell an
item outside of the eBay site. To be a valid transaction, your User ID
needs to be listed as the buyer on the ended auction page. Items
purchased outside of the eBay site are not eligible for our protective
services, such as the Standard Purchase Protection Program. This service
is only available for items listed, bought, and sold on eBay in
compliance with our guidelines and policies. For more information on
this policy, please visit the link below:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html

We strongly recommend that you ignore this email and all emails that ask
you to complete a transaction offsite. Please make sure that you are the
confirmed winning bidder on the auction before sending money to anyone.
In addition, make certain that you are dealing with the actual seller
and not someone else. eBay only recognizes the seller and the winning
bidder that is on the auction page at the end of the auction as the
rightful participants.

In addition, we do not recommend the use of instant cash wire transfer
services such as Western Union and MoneyGram, and we ask that users
decline sending payment in cases where these are the only methods of
payment offered by the seller. Generally, if payment is sent using an
instant cash wire transfer service and the item is not delivered as
promised, no recourse is available for recovering funds. In most cases,
an escrow service should be used when purchasing high dollar value
items. More information on the benefits and risks of individual payment
methods can be found at:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/pay/payment.html

eBay urges caution when purchasing high-priced items, especially if the
price seems too good to be true.

I appreciate you taking the time to send us this information so that we
were able to look into this.

Regards,

Grace L. E.
Investigations Team
eBay Trust & Safety
_____________________________________________

GEE....YA THINK!

Boom · March 15, 2005 5:40PM

NOW THIS BOZO JUST WROTE THE FOLLOWING AND NOW CHANGED HIS NAME.

Hi, you've bid on my ebay auction. The winning bidder emailed me telling he can't buy it anymore.... and I really need to sell it!If you are still interested please let me know what is the price you would buy it from me right now? Let me know
Auction URL: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3963137145
Thank you in advance.
Sergio Colina
ttt
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Revelation

This makes manofcoins' real Name, Sergio Colina....idocoins is a non paying bidder and everyone atop me changed their minds too and this my lucky day!

By the way, this trash came from this computer

Received: from [193.151.75.22] by web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:01:39 PST
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:01:39 -0800 (PST)
From: sergio colina <scolinapowerseller@yahoo.com>....NOW WAIT A MINUTE. THIS IS STARTING TO GET SCREWY NOW because the initial message's properties look like this, an entirely different computer and email address and even shows as normal priority from eBay.

Original message
Return-Path: <aw-confirm@ebay.com>
Received: from web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.114])

Received: from [217.156.59.230] by web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:35:35 PST
X-RocketYMMF: tomas_anw
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:35:35 -0800 (PST)
From: eBay <aw-confirm@ebay.com>
Reply-To: tomas_anw@yahoo.com
Subject: Second Chance Offer #3963137145

OK super geeks, take over. What's the deal here?

SilverDollarMan · March 15, 2005 10:56PM

Thx 4 the heads up!

K6AZ · March 15, 2005 11:02PM

<< <i>Received: from web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.114])

OK super geeks, take over. What's the deal here? >>

Yahoo mail does not mask the sender's IP address. This guy is either really smart and spoofing the IP address, or is really stupid.

IP Address Country (Short) Country (Full) Flag Region City ISP
68.142.198.114 US UNITED STATES CALIFORNIA FOSTER CITY INKTOMI CORPORATION

Edited to add: Another possibility is a zombie computer, i.e. one that has been compromised.

Boom · March 16, 2005 5:21AM

Eric, you DID notice that the 2 emails I received are from different IP addresses, right? But the first one showing a return path that's eBay's puzzles me. BTW, you're welcome Silver Dollar man and dwsblue.

I don't understand why they both appear to have come from eBay. Can anyone explain this?

Boom · March 16, 2005 5:36AM

Here's another one. After I psot it we'll see where it comes from. This time it's Paypal

This dummy's IP address is at the bottom. Let me check this out.

Dear PayPal valued member,

Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of the PayPal
community we have issued this warning message.

It has come to our attention that your account information needs
to be updated due to inactive accounts, frauds and spoof reports.
If you could please take 5-10 minutes out of your online experience and renew
your records you will not run into any future problems with the online service.
However, failure to update your records will result in account deletation.

Once you have updated your account records your PayPal will not be
interrupted and will continue as normal.

Please follow the link below
and renew your account information.
http://67.19.164.2/~smith/skmpp/index.html

PayPal Service Department

Boom · March 16, 2005 5:41AM

This one comes from Russia. Geez!

Return-Path: <Customerservice@paypal.com>
Received: from mail.com ([217.172.47.15])

Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:18:02 -0500
Reply-To: <Customerservice@paypal.com>
From: "PayPal" <Customerservice@paypal.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:18:01 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="Windows-1251"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.00
X-NAS-Language: Russian
X-NAS-Bayes: #0: 1; #1: 1.1624E-045
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Dear PayPal valued member,
X-NAS-Classification: 1
X-NAS-MessageID: 752
X-NAS-Validation: {C9D75BF8-834E-42B0-95E4-108785209D89}

Boom · March 16, 2005 6:02AM

OK...SO LIKE THIS IS THE $64,000 question. If I can trace the origin right down to their IP address and sometimes even their computer's Names, WHY CAN'T EBAY AND OR PAYPAL DO ANYTHING TO PROSECUTE THESE PEOPLE?

100proof1957 · March 16, 2005 6:14AM

Boom,

Dont the real ones come from secure sites ?

HTTPS vs HTTP ?

Proof

Boom · March 16, 2005 6:36AM

Sure, you can tell the real ones but how are these pukes getting my new address? Secondly, what do I do about this?

SilverDollarMan · March 18, 2005 12:54AM

I believe its mass mailing. I have rec'd that same email at different e addy's. I only have one ebay act??????????????

dbldie55 · March 18, 2005 12:57AM

This is getting real comical.

markglicker · April 7, 2005 4:59AM

This subject is worth a bump. I was offered a variety Morgan today, and was below 3 or 4 underbidders.

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