Were SMS sets produced in 1964. Maybe someone can settle the discussion in the ebay forum. I say n

DNADave · February 13, 2005 7:04AM

ebay forum discussion

Russ · February 13, 2005 7:07AM

Yes, they were.

Russ, NCNE

ClausUrch · February 13, 2005 7:09AM

You will notice that they are quite pricey.

1964 SMS

WhiteLighnin · February 13, 2005 7:10AM

<< <i>Yes, they were.

Russ, NCNE >>

They were Russ??? Don't mistake my question, i know you the premier expert on this subject, i also did not know that!!!

DNADave · February 13, 2005 7:17AM

Happy to say I learned something new today.

CarlWohlforth · February 13, 2005 7:17AM

There were a few sets produced in 1964. I think the numbers were very small, about 2 dozen or something like that. I believe certified examples exist. I looked for some Jeffersons when I was working on that set, but the 64 SMS Jeffs were many thousands of bucks so I skipped on them.

100proof1957 · February 13, 2005 7:18AM

Think Russ reamed me bout this b4

65 planchets punched with 64 dies.

Russ · February 13, 2005 7:23AM

<< <i>65 planchets punched with 64 dies. >>

Actually, no. The 1964 SMS coins are distinctly different than the 1965 through 1967 coins. More of a satiny matte finish combination. There is a lot of speculation as to how they came about, ranging from test run for the upcoming SMS sets to presentation pieces for VIPs. Estimates range from a low of 10 to a high of 50 sets, with - as Carl said - the likely number being around a couple dozen.

BTW, the single 1964 business strike in MS68 listed in the PCGS pop reports is one of these that was mislabled and is now in an NGC SP69 holder.

Russ, NCNE

DNADave · February 13, 2005 7:28AM

Why aren't these listed in the guide books. I mean, if they can put in 1913 nickels, 1894-s dimes and 1804 dollars, why not 1964 SMS coins. In the words of Everette... "That don't make no sense"

coinguy1 · February 13, 2005 7:31AM

I saw a number of these coins while at NGC and have seen others in the intervening years.

I believe that many of them were owned by dealer Lester Merkin (a true gentleman and good guy, old-time dealer) at one time and that they were subsequently auctioned off by Stacks' years ago. If memory serves me correctly, I think I was told that they were not described as anything different/special at the time they were auctioned.

Many have since been certified.

As noted by Russ, their appearance is distinct from other years' SMS coins. And, they can be extremely difficult to attribute if you are unfamiliar with them. If I had to guess, I would estimate that roughly 20 sets were produced.

Jody526 · February 13, 2005 10:51AM

I just want to thank the gentleman for answering my question.

Kind of sad that the origin of these coins has been lost to history.

Were SMS sets produced in 1964. Maybe someone can settle the discussion in the ebay forum. I say n

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