New Stuff, Error Coins, BIG PICS, Very Cool!!

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 2:30AM

#1 a huge double struck Jefferson
#2 A Kennedy with a huge crator in it
#3 Kennedy with a double clip
#4 Washington on off-metal planchet

#1 Washington on off-metal planchet
#2 Roosie with a crator in it
#3 Lincoln struck on scrap
#4 Lincoln struck on scrap
#5 a very strange looking Lincoln

#1 a 1939 Double Monticello (very cool)

and (this ranks very high on the coolness scale).. Well you can see for yourself...

XpipedreamR · November 7, 2004 2:30AM

ClarkOfKent · November 7, 2004 2:34AM

You kinda suck.

AuldFartte · November 7, 2004 2:37AM

Wild!!!

DesertRat · November 7, 2004 2:40AM

Neat stuff Marty! Thanks for sharing

ksteelheader · November 7, 2004 2:56AM

I like that first nickel!..

mgoodm3 · November 7, 2004 2:59AM

The first one is a die cap. I presume is was partially dislodged at some point during several strikes to get two impressions on the obv.

cosmicdebris · November 7, 2004 3:03AM

Myqqy · November 7, 2004 3:25AM

That's some cool stuff!!

shylock · November 7, 2004 3:37AM

Love the crescent moon 1964 Lincoln scrap. Give us more details about the copper planchet strip you posted last!

jonathanb · November 7, 2004 4:27AM

What a fantastic group of errors! If you're not giving anything away, would you care to comment on where these came from? It's not that common to see such a group on the market at one time. Several things in your post suggest that you did not gt them from an established error coin dealer.

Anyone want to take a stab at ranking these in order of descending value? To get the lists consistent, let's call the them A1, A2, A3, A4, B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, C1, and D from the top down. I'll post my list later tonight. Maybe we can talk Marty into posting two lists: one ordered by what he actually paid, and one ordered by what he thinks they're worth.

Unless I miss my guess, Marty's in for some surprises in both directions...

jonathan

kieferscoins · November 7, 2004 4:28AM

Let me guess... you paid less than face value for them?

Cameron Kiefer

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 4:32AM

OK, I bought two notebooks full of errors from my dealer. about 2/3rds of the coins were Lincoln, most off-center and clips. THere are also about 20-30 darkside off center and double-struck coins.

DHeath · November 7, 2004 5:00AM

Butt-stinking-head! Man, how much for the DDR Jeff?

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 6:15AM

TTT for the afternoon crowd!

CoinAddict · November 7, 2004 8:17AM

Very sweet group of coins, Marty. Do you think that first Kennedy was struck through a cent planchet that was struck by the dies for a Kennedy Half? That is what it looks like from the pics. I love the double struck nickel. Very cool finds. Thanks for sharing.

Wolf359 · November 7, 2004 9:08AM

Awesome errors Marty. Any ideas on the wierd Lincoln?

jonesy · November 7, 2004 9:53AM

MadMarty!!! You SUCK!!!!!!!!

kamehameha00 · November 7, 2004 9:55AM

Very cool errors, Marty. How much did you pay for all of them?

errormaven · November 7, 2004 9:57AM

The wierd 196- Lincoln does not appear to be a genuine error. It looks like it might have dried glue around the periphery on both faces.

The rest are quite fetching.

BowTieCoins · November 7, 2004 10:02AM

Very nifty!

Katrina

JRocco · November 7, 2004 10:58AM

This thread is 100% cool

ms70 · November 7, 2004 12:51PM

What caused that 1st Kennedy error?

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 12:55PM

<< What caused that 1st Kennedy error? >>

Heath says it was a bubble in the planchet.

errormaven · November 7, 2004 12:56PM

The Kennedy was struck through a nickel or cent planchet that had previously been struck by half dollar dies. It's a brockage from an off-metal/wrong planchet coin. Very rare and very valuable.

jonathanb · November 7, 2004 3:53PM

errormaven is unquestionably right in his description of the Kennedy, although I personally think it was a dime planchet. I've seen pictures of maybe a half-dozen other examples over the last 20 years, but it's an *extremely* rare error type. Now, rarity doesn't necessarily translate to value, and I don't actually know what the market would be for something like this, but it's a nifty piece and I'd be thrilled to own it. Not many errors are worth more than $1000; I'd say this one had a shot. Certainly $500+.

Of the others, from the top down:

The double-struck nickel is spectacular, but also typical of 1964-dated errors. There was a lot of strange stuff going on that year, especially with nickels and cents. Even if this was undated, my guess would have been 1964. Figure $250, based more on spectacularity than on actual rarity. Local dealer had a similar one that I think might have been triple struck (I forget). You'll see examples with more than 4 strikes sometimes.

The bicentennial Kennedy is a decent example of a double clip on a one-year type. Maybe $100.

The quarter on cent would be a lot nicer if it had a date. Figure $250-350 on the assumption that the cent wasn't struck first; add $500 if it really was (I can't see any cent design in the pics, but it can be subtle sometimes)

The "Washington on off-metal planchet" almost certainly is on a nickel planchet, which means that it isn't really off-metal (but definitely would still be a wrong planchet). Figure $150-200, and again add $500 if the nickel was struck first. 1974 is a slightly better date; these are usually 1978 or 1979.

The Roosie was struck through cloth. Nice example, but not a lot of demand. $50-100.

The undated Lincoln off-center on a double-clipped planchet would usually be described as "struck on scrap", which is a term that I hate for its inprecision. Nice example. $50-100.

The crescent clip 1964 Lincoln is a great example; There's (obviously) a decent chance of this type being undated. $100+. Note the 1964 date again.

I agree with errormaven again on the 196x Lincoln. My first thought is also glue, although I can't really tell from the picture if the stuff around the edge is above or below the normal surface. If below, I'd say damage of some sort rather than glue. Worthless in either case, sorry.

The double Monticello is a mainstream coin. I don't feel like checking the price lists.

The cent planchet strip is spectacular. I have one that's 8x3 holes, which is more typical. This one is 9x7, which is unusual in its size, as is the presence of incomplete punches. Like the brockage-by-smaller-planchet Kennedy, this is unusual enough that it's hard to put a price; I'd say $500+ again. Hard to say whether this or the Kennedy is worth more.

With the exception of the brockage-by-smaller-planchet Kennedy and the cent strip, all of these error types are "readily" available, depending on how you define "readily". My prices are ballparks; if you want real prices, you can probably find fairly close matches in the eBay archives for most all of the others.

Oh, yeah: MadMarty, you suck!

jonathan

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 9:15PM

Thanks Jonathan,

I sent off about 45 errors for slabbing. We'll see what the grading companys say! Watch for the cent strip on E-Bay soon!!!

errormaven · November 7, 2004 10:05PM

<< errormaven is unquestionably right in his description of the Kennedy, although I personally think it was a dime planchet. I've seen pictures of maybe a half-dozen other examples over the last 20 years, but it's an *extremely* rare error type. Now, rarity doesn't necessarily translate to value, and I don't actually know what the market would be for something like this, but it's a nifty piece and I'd be thrilled to own it. Not many errors are worth more than $1000; I'd say this one had a shot. Certainly $500+.

I'd say the half dollar is worth at least $2500.

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 10:11PM

<< I'd say the half dollar is worth at least $2500. >>

OMG! Where is the soiling your pants icon!!!

braddick · November 7, 2004 10:15PM

Definitely high on the cool scale Marty! I'd question the authenticity of a couple of them, but regardless, what a neat score!

errormaven · November 7, 2004 10:17PM

By the way, the brockage on this half dollar is perfectly aligned with the normal reverse design. This indicates that the smaller planchet was struck immediately before this half dollar was. The smaller coin adhered to the obverse (hammer) die after it was struck and was then struck into the half dollar planchet.

That's usually what you see with these brockages from wrong planchet coins.

--Mike Diamond

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 10:59PM

Hey Mike,
Turn on your PM function!!!

kieferscoins · November 7, 2004 11:01PM

$2,500? WOW! Slab that sucker madmarty!

Cameron Kiefer

seanq · November 7, 2004 11:05PM

Holy cow, Marty, you finally found some stuff up my alley. Mike and Johnathan are dead-on about the Kennedy, I wanted to read through all the posts before responding with duplicate info.

The one that got my

was the crescent-clipped '64 cent. PM about to be sent!

Sean Reynolds

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 11:07PM

<< By the way, the brockage on this half dollar is perfectly aligned with the normal reverse design. This indicates that the smaller planchet was struck immediately before this half dollar was. The smaller coin adhered to the obverse (hammer) die after it was struck and was then struck into the half dollar planchet.
>>

So at sometime in the coins life the other planchet fell out leaving the crator? That is just too cool!

errormaven · November 7, 2004 11:17PM

<< 

<< By the way, the brockage on this half dollar is perfectly aligned with the normal reverse design. This indicates that the smaller planchet was struck immediately before this half dollar was. The smaller coin adhered to the obverse (hammer) die after it was struck and was then struck into the half dollar planchet.
>>

So at sometime in the coins life the other planchet fell out leaving the crator? That is just too cool! >>

It's impossible to say whether the smaller coin was nested within the larger coin for any length of time after the strike. It could have remained on the hammer die afterward, or the two coins could have separated immediately after striking. All I do know is that there was a perfectly fitting companion for this half dollar. Whether it made it out of the Mint is another question.

MadMarty · November 7, 2004 11:21PM

Way cool! Well it is on it's way to find a home in a plastic coffin!

seanq · November 7, 2004 11:46PM

Some time ago I saw an auction for a mated pair, one coin was just like Marty's new Kennedy except it was a Franklin, and the cent planchet that made the indent was included as well. I'll try to look for the citation tonight.

Two observations: First, every show I ever attend, every shop I ever go into (granted, not as many of either as Marty), I ask if they have any error coins. That haul you posted just reaffirmed my resolve to keep asking. Second, how are the shops you visit staying in business, leaving so much money on the table? There must be at least one or two shop owners who could be retired to Tahiti by now if they just realized what they were selling.

Sean Reynolds

Smittys · November 8, 2004 2:12AM

Wow I love them.

Great Errors
Thanks for sharing.
Smitty

jonathanb · November 8, 2004 2:15AM

<< Some time ago I saw an auction for a mated pair, one coin was just like Marty's new Kennedy except it was a Franklin, and the cent planchet that made the indent was included as well. I'll try to look for the citation tonight. >>

You're thinking about this one. It's not the best comparison, since it's on an obsolete type, and both pieces were retained, and it was the larger coin that was double-struck instead of the smaller, but it's something.

jonathan