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The auction I lost tonight...
Earlier in the week, there was a thread about whether or not it is ethical
to snipe in the last few seconds an auction for which there are no current
bids. I replied that it is absolutely ok, as the seller places a minimum bid
reflecting what they will accept to part with the coin.
A few days ago I spotted this 1940 Rev '38 5c NGC PF67 on ebay and,
after doing my research, decided it was a coin I'd like to own at the minimum
bid of $700.
I thought about waiting to see if it ended without bids and making an offer,
but ultimately decided that I didn't want to risk someone else's snipe. So,
I prepared my bid of $777.78 and placed it with about 20 seconds to go (I'm
not an extreme sniper), figuring the extra padding might help.
When my bid was confirmed, it showed me as high bidder at $735, beating
out another stealthy sniper. I was feeling pretty good at that point, but then
refreshed my screen and saw I had been outbid at the end by less than $10
by a third sniper.
I just had to laugh to myself at the wild ending...
Ken
P.S. If the winning bidder is a board member here and wants to make a quick
$13 profit, I'd offer $800 for the coin!
to snipe in the last few seconds an auction for which there are no current
bids. I replied that it is absolutely ok, as the seller places a minimum bid
reflecting what they will accept to part with the coin.
A few days ago I spotted this 1940 Rev '38 5c NGC PF67 on ebay and,
after doing my research, decided it was a coin I'd like to own at the minimum
bid of $700.
I thought about waiting to see if it ended without bids and making an offer,
but ultimately decided that I didn't want to risk someone else's snipe. So,
I prepared my bid of $777.78 and placed it with about 20 seconds to go (I'm
not an extreme sniper), figuring the extra padding might help.
When my bid was confirmed, it showed me as high bidder at $735, beating
out another stealthy sniper. I was feeling pretty good at that point, but then
refreshed my screen and saw I had been outbid at the end by less than $10
by a third sniper.
I just had to laugh to myself at the wild ending...
Ken
P.S. If the winning bidder is a board member here and wants to make a quick
$13 profit, I'd offer $800 for the coin!
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i had wanted to bid on that coin but figured it would possibly put me in a tight spot if something appears at the ANA that i gotta have. you may have noticed the thread i have up which is about the 1940 and another Jeff, a 1938 PCI PR68.
my funniest sniping encounter was for a raw 1958 Jefferson that looked DCAM in the auction pictures and was being sold as a DCAM by a reputable seller. it had many, many members viewing it according to the counter and several bids at a low level, probably to keep it tracked. i waited for the end with baited breath!!!
i planned my snipe carefully with the current bid starting to rise in the last few minutes. at around 10-15 seconds i placed a bid of $335 which was plenty of cushion. in that last 10 seconds i guess about six bidders all sniped and it jumped to about $630 by the time my screen refreshed. if i remember right, the buyer was pepperdoodles!!! whoever it was, i e-mailed him asking what the coin graded upon submission but i never got a reply. probably just CAM'd.
al h.
Don't you hate when you don't bid what you're really willing to pay for the coin? I hate that.
-KHayse
Well, I did. $777.78 was the highest I was willing to pay. I would have preferred to buy it
at $600 or $650.
But now, I'm having fun with the wild ending and figured the coin would be worth another $25 to
me just for the fond memories of how I obtained it
Ken
I hope the bidder will come on here and take you up on you generous offer of $25 bucks more
<< <i>P.S. If the winning bidder is a board member here and wants to make a quick $13 profit, I'd offer $800 for the coin! >>
Not to sound totally dense here, but if you were willing to pay $800, why didn't you bid that amount? You could have taken it!
See three posts above - An hour ago, I wasn't willing to pay $800. Now I am - simple as that. I
would think of this as the coin that I had, then got away, then came back to it's rightful home.
That's worth something!
Ken
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
Cold War Veteran
It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
Thomas Paine
<< <i>Catfish, I have a few coins in the Bullet sale...would you mind?
email me a catfish172@elvis.com with your eBay id I'll take a look.
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
Cold War Veteran
It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
<< <i>Not to sound totally dense here, but if you were willing to pay $800, why didn't you bid that amount? You could have taken it!
See three posts above - An hour ago, I wasn't willing to pay $800. Now I am
Isn't this like reverse buyers remorse?
Tom
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
Thomas Paine
I bid with 16 seconds left and I came up as high bidder at $1,350
My max was $2,500 ... No problem .. I got it ..
I thought OK let the 16 secomds tick away .. send the seller his funds
When I refreshed the auction the final price was $11,250
There were 6 others after me and the winner got it with 2 seconds left
I'm still shaking my head on that one ..
Some of you have touched on this concept, but the secret to successful sniping on items you really want is simple. Place your snipe bid for the maximum you would be willing to pay for the item. This takes all the emotion out of it for me. I win some, I lose some, but I never get caught up in "auction frenzy". You will lose some auctions by one bid increment, but you will never know what the winning bidder was actually willing to pay.
The thing that really irritates me is people to end auctions early due to no bidding. I have solved this by placing a low bid with a followup snipe bid.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
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Jeff
al h.
<< <i>the final price at eBay is a bit different than that at a true auction. it only tells us what the underbidder was willing to pay, not what the winner was willing to pay. >>
The final price at a live auction is also set by the underbidder. When he/she drops out the winner may or may not have already bid their own max. I recall one auction where my winning bid was less than half of my maximum - I had spotted a signature on a porcelain that the auctioneer didn't realize affected its value.
That's the magic of a "jump bid", when you go two to five times the auctioneer's suggested increment - sometimes the other folks realize you're fixated on the item, and get out of your way.
my point was just that it's a bit deceptive to use eBay prices realized to guage true selling prices, though it's sometimes the best we have.
al h.
$787.01). Since the winning bid was $787.00, compared to my max of $777.78,
we know that was the winning bidders max as it is less than the minimum $10
increment over mine.
All this means is that the two of us valued the coin within $10 of each other, and
that their padding over the opening of $700 was just enough stronger than mine
to take the coin!
I almost placed my bid at $777.77 and then upped it by a penny thinking that
number was too obvious and I could lose out simply by not getting my bid in
first, as related in the post by JustMakesCents.
I used to be that way, but all too often I've seen other bidders place 5 to 10 bids in a couple minutes, and either just make the high bid or stop just under my high bid. Why couldn't they just place what they were willing to pay in one shot? It can be frustrating.
Dennis
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
<< <i>I bid at the beginning what I am willing to pay and watch the snipers run it up at the last minute.
I used to be that way, but all too often I've seen other bidders place 5 to 10 bids in a couple minutes, and either just make the high bid or stop just under my high bid. Why couldn't they just place what they were willing to pay in one shot? It can be frustrating.
Dennis >>
Because. They get caught up in the "auction frenzy" another poster mentioned. Since I only bid what I'm willing to pay from the beginning such conduct doesn't chap me at all. If I win I still get it at a level at or below what I had budgeted for anyway. If the other guy gets it well, that means either he has a better budget than me or he's not as ....... Oh forget it, and just leave it with the budget part. Let's just say the seller gets the better deal if I lose what I'm bidding on.
Thanks Guys.
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
Cold War Veteran
It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.