DMPL or Cleaned?

ajia · July 25, 2004 3:00AM

I think cleaned...

1894-S DMPL?

hamiltonjh · July 25, 2004 3:01AM

looks cleaned, which is a shame because it mighta been PL before if not DMPL w/out cleaning.

mgoodm3 · July 25, 2004 3:03AM

shinycoinboy approved!

KlectorKid · July 25, 2004 3:05AM

Polished...

nwcs · July 25, 2004 3:26AM

Horribly polished. Maybe low grade uncirc or higher circ buffed up.

coppercoins · July 25, 2004 3:35AM

Very obvious heavy polishing - within an inch of its life.

razorface1027 · July 25, 2004 3:49AM

shinycoinboy approved!

HEY---Leave shineycoinboy alone. He's 1 in a million.

As far as this seller is concerned---CAVEAT EMPTOR, or, if you'd like---SHYSTER, seems to fit the agenda.

Oh yeah...ever heard of a buffing wheel? This specimen appears to have met with one.

TonedCoinTrader · July 25, 2004 3:50AM

The seller was very nice as to take off a few layers of metal from that coin to make it much lighter for you to carry it in your pocket

Goober · July 25, 2004 4:30AM

This guy has been listing cleaned coins as DMPL for a long time. It really peeves me when I do a DMPL search on Ebay it brings up 40 pieces of his crap.

ddbird · July 25, 2004 4:30AM

Mister cleaned!

razorface1027 · July 25, 2004 4:34AM

Scrub-a-Dub Dub, two Brillo pads and some crud. Boy, what Brillo can do!

Myqqy · July 25, 2004 4:36AM

Whoever ends up buying that proves that sometimes money and brains don't go hand in hand.....

razorface1027 · July 25, 2004 4:50AM

Whoever ends up buying that proves that sometimes money and brains don't go hand in hand.....

WOW---They actually can go together?

dorkkarl · July 25, 2004 9:40PM

polished. it looks like 1 of those car tires that's been treated with that super-glow stuff to make 'em all shiny.

K S

dragon · July 26, 2004 3:32AM

Wow, selling coins like that on Ebay as DMPL's should be a borderline criminal offense IMO.

coinlieutenant · July 26, 2004 3:43AM

pass on this polished coin.

cdan12 · July 26, 2004 4:03AM

this guys speciality is cleaned and problem coins,I learned the hard way.

poorguy · July 26, 2004 4:07AM

Sucker is shining like the freakin sun! CLEANED!!!!!

braddick · July 26, 2004 4:18AM

I too am leaning slightly toward the suspicion, as my esteemed forum members here, this one may have possibly, just possibly, been ever so gently cleaned at some point. There are tale tell hints, although I suppose that could also be the photo.

Steve27 · July 26, 2004 4:34AM

I just go by the negs in his feedback:

"WARNING! 28DMPL's $4364.92 NGC says 3DMPL's 9 alter surf /cleaned, 16 reg grade"

"Recieved a bum cleaned coin and would not give a refund."

"ANACS laughed at coin when brought in. NOT DMPL Watch out! won't refund either!"

"Fraud and thief. Should be hung from nearest tree!!!"

ajia · July 26, 2004 2:47PM

Steve, I read those feedbacks too.
I was amazed 16 came back regular grade!
Jerks like this make selling raw coins for a fair price nearly impossible.
Then again, with someone bidding on this crap....what did P.T. Barnum once say......

epicrecipe · July 26, 2004 3:07PM

Hey gang,

Sounds unanimous. Bear with me and my "no stupid questions" approach here: Can you help newbies like me see exactly what you see to determine it's cleaned? What are some tell tale signs in a photograph that a coin is cleaned? We don't always have the luxury of such colorful feedback and I'd love to learn from your experience to avoid any costly mistakes.

For example: the fields are *too* mirror like - they should look like (what?)

or

Notice the hazy edges, especially around the hair, feathers, arrows, leaves and lettering. A naturally proof-like coin wouldn't have such obvious contrast.

I'm just pulling these examples out of thin air, but you get the idea. And what would we look for in person?

Thanks in advance. This forum is very helpful.

lordmarcovan · July 26, 2004 5:52PM

Epicrecipe- you nailed it, and answered your own questions perfectly.

For all my years of experience, I suck at spotting cleaned coins, at least in comparison to my colleauges here.

That one, however, is so obvious that even I can hear the whizzing sound in the background.

Merc · July 27, 2004 1:32AM

Check out this guys operation. He is buying raw morgans for $18 from others on ebay. Then he whizzes them and sells them as DMPLs. Looks like he has been doing it for some time. Then I notices a nice looking 1891 dime and a 1857 half dime. They looked origional but are listed as proofs. He bought them both in NGC MS62 holders. Then he cracked them out and is selling them as proofs for double his purchace price!!!!!! They are MS coins.

Coinerww · July 27, 2004 2:29AM

It looks cleaned to me.

DMPL or Cleaned?

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