Buyer beware - Looks fake to me

au58 · July 1, 2004 8:37AM

Sorry for the lack of a link, but the ebay number is:

3919190965

DominusDeus · July 1, 2004 8:39AM

Linky poo.

airplanenut · July 1, 2004 8:41AM

Key date, bad feedback, raw, eBay, crappy pictures

...what here would lead anyone to want to buy this?

Russ · July 1, 2004 8:43AM

I don't know about the 1877 IHC, but the mint mark on the '16-D looks like it's in the wrong place to me. And, what's up with the dime images being in the same auction?

Russ, NCNE

newport · July 1, 2004 8:44AM

Rims look much too much?????

Sphinx357 · July 1, 2004 8:50AM

they both look altered
the IHC sevens look weird
the d on the 1916 is quite obviously added

Barry · July 1, 2004 9:36AM

Agree, bogus

TonedCoinTrader · July 1, 2004 9:45AM

Altered "7" and Added "D"

Doctor Doctor gimmy the news!

pontiacinf · July 1, 2004 9:53AM

hahahah

those are the large coaster ones they sell at gift shops...not to mention in some pics the date on the indian looks ddo

tjkillian · July 1, 2004 11:12AM

On a business strike 1877 indian cent, the "N" in "ONE" should be weak on the lower part. If it is strong, it is a counterfeit. This coin has a very strong "N".

Tom

RYK · July 1, 2004 11:32AM

Thanks for the heads up, guys. I am fortunate that my bid did not meet the reserve. Phew.

Option1 · July 1, 2004 11:55AM

I see about 1 bad 16D for every 3 in raw form.

lloydmincy · July 1, 2004 12:00PM

Those are horrible FAKES. The "d" on the genuine is kind of facing more of a SSE slant compared to the rest of the design, but this one's D is too fat, and not near the proper area. And I agree, the 7's are ridiculous.

Russ · July 1, 2004 1:24PM

<< Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:56:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001524)
From: "Sandor Ruzsa" <sanscuba@sbcglobal.net>
To: <sales@compucheap.com>
Subject: Re: Question for item #3919190965 - 1877 Indian Penny Very Rare Key Date
X-FID: BA285063-5BCE-11D4-AF8D-0050DAC67E11

That is funny because I took them out of PCGS Holders graded
Shows what you know

-------Original Message-------

From: sales@compucheap.com
Date: 07/01/04 18:18:06
To: sanscuba@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Question for item #3919190965 - 1877 Indian Penny Very Rare Key Date

Question about your item

Dear sanscuba,

I hate to break the news to you, but both the 1877 IHC and the 1916-D Mercury dime are altered coins, IE; fakes. >>

Russ, NCNE

earlwbollinger · July 1, 2004 1:43PM

You know it looks real shiny and awfully porous in the photos.
Did they wax it or something?
I have a very fine to extra fine large cent, that someone has apparently waxed.
I am not sure if I want to do anything with it, as I think they used to wax coins back before the 1900's.

TonedCoinTrader · July 1, 2004 1:50PM

That is funny because I took them out of PCGS Holders graded
Shows what you know

Yeah Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight why the He** would ANYBODY do that?????????????

Myqqy · July 1, 2004 2:30PM

That is funny because I took them out of PCGS Holders graded

That is funny!

tgilliams · July 1, 2004 2:35PM

read his feedback, looks like there's been some question of authenticity and descriptions of his coins.

Conder101 · July 2, 2004 3:04AM

<< read his feedback, looks like there's been some question of authenticity and descriptions of his coins. >>

Really? This guy sells many things and the only feedback I can find that is definitely linked to coins is:
"received coins thanks ", and he only has one actual negative. (Feedback listing shows two but one his first one the guy who left it did a followup stating the the mix-up was his fault.)

I agree though, both of these coins he is selling are fake. And he might have taken them out of PCGS bodybags, but not slabs.

Gonfunko · July 2, 2004 3:14AM

Something's up with the 7's, and I'm not talking 7UP! Also, he doesn't know the series: << IT IS BY FAR THE LOWEST MINTED COIN. >> Actually, it's not. the 1909-S had serveral hundred thousand fewer minted. 852,500 vs. 309,000. You do the math.

Q: Is it illegal to impersonate a federal agency? I was thinking of e-mailing the seller with Secret Serviced letterhead informing them the coins are fakes and that selling counterfeits is a felony, along with an order to end the auction or face criminal penalties. Make 'em sweat, you know?

Conder101 · July 2, 2004 3:51AM

I don't know about impersonating a federal agency, but impersonating a law enforcement officer is. A Secret Service agent would be a law enforcement officer but you wouldn't really be impersonating an actual agent would you? Of curse if you signed the letter then maybe you are.

Gonfunko · July 2, 2004 3:54AM

I haven't sent such a letter and probably won't but it would be fun to make these scammers think twice! I hate seeing these sort of auctions when the "coins" are so obviously bogus. BTW, sorry for hijacking your thread, au58.

XpipedreamR · July 2, 2004 3:58AM

<< 

That is funny because I took them out of PCGS Holders graded
Shows what you know

>>

Holy crap Russ...that is funny!

ccrdragon · July 2, 2004 4:08AM

Compare the pictures that the ebay seller presents to this one taken from Shylock's IHC site:

Real '77

Just some quick observations:
1. Definitely fails the weak 'N' on the reverse
2. If you look at the second obverse picture, the circles on the '8' in the date are too thin on the right and look to be below the level of the circles on the left (may be a trick of the lighting, but I don't they are)
3. The leg on the second '7' is too large. On the real 1877, the legs on the 7's are almost identical
4. The portion of the bust that extends past the beads is too pointy. The real 1877 is blunt in comparison to the ebay picture
5. For a coin that shows as little wear on the devices as the ebay picture shows, you should be able to see at least the last diamond in the ribbon - I can see no evidence of diamonds any where on the band in the ebay picture
6. There is something funky about the color of the area that contains the date

(attributed to the correct site author - thanks Russ)

Russ · July 2, 2004 4:25AM

<< Compare the pictures that the ebay seller presents to this one taken from Rick Snow's IHC site. >>

I'm pretty sure that's actually Shylock's site.

Russ, NCNE

Buyer beware - Looks fake to me

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