WLH Bodybag for counting machine mark.....????

Manorcourtman · June 18, 2004 1:12AM

I got my first BB for damage in a long time last week. I was dumbfounded. The BB came back to me with writing on it "Rev. counting mach. mark." The coin is a Walker that's pristine and rim toned blue/lilac....MS65-66 imho. Before I sent the coin I looked at it under 5x and 20x loupes, and nothing was obvious except a sweet coin with cartwheel luster. I looked at it again and even under 20x it is sweet with nothing obvious to me but limited bag marks. What in the devil is a counting machine mark?? BB'd for a mark?? No I don't have a pic because it's heading to you know who right now. Can someone explain what a counting machine mark is??? Thanks, Chris

FrattLaw · June 18, 2004 1:13AM

Usually near the rim are abrasion marks where the coin was grabbed by a counting machine and rolled. If there's rim toning, it might be hinding under that toning and difficult to see.

Michael

NoGvmnt · June 18, 2004 1:31AM

Not intending to question your assessment of the grade, wouldn't the coin still be entitled to a grade below Mint State even with a "counting machine mark"?

Wouldn't a "counting machine mark" simply downgrade the coin to some circulated grade?

Jim

Placid · June 18, 2004 1:52AM

They look like little snakes ~. Also known as wheel marks.
Pcgs considers it a form of damage and will bb for it if they see it.

Wolf359 · June 18, 2004 2:28AM

Placid: Good information. Love your self-label Certifiable

coinguy1 · June 18, 2004 2:33AM

Manorcourtman,

Put down the magnifier for a minute and pick up the coin and tilt and rotate it at as many angles as you can under a good light.

Do this close-up, as well as from a distance of as much as a foot - sometimes one can see at a distance, that which he cannot see up close and personal.

Look for a smooth looking, shiny, different textured area on the coin.

nwcs · June 18, 2004 2:34AM

Yeah, I had what otherwise would be a MS-66 1969D JFK get bagged at NGC for a counting mark. ARGH! But I still have it. Has nice color, too. Just raw.

Manorcourtman · June 18, 2004 3:23AM

Thanks guys. I learn something new everyday. I don't recall seeing "snakes" but that clearly explains the concept! We'll see. I'll post results when I see what the guys across the way think about it. Bodybags suck!!!!! C.

haletj · June 18, 2004 3:26AM

I have a beautiful 1929 SLQ in a segs holder, denoted "counting wheel mark" I have no problem at all having this coin in my collection.

GoYankees · June 18, 2004 3:41AM

There's always ANACS or NCS. If the coin has good eye appeal it might be worthwhile to slab it.

jeffnpcb · June 18, 2004 4:06AM

Pretty lame by them since they graded this jewel!

Don't make me post the reverse!!

WLH Bodybag for counting machine mark.....????

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