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GoldCoinLover
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Well, awhile ago I broke my parents door, so I'll have to repay that for $150. I just purchased my most expensive expensive gold coin; a $5 gold indian head. It cost $240. A friend on this forum offered to help me pay for the submission, and recently my parents gave me a job which got me 20 bucks. So overall I would have $35, which is thankfully enough for my $5 indian head coin at ANACS (5 day service).
My parents said I would have to pay for the $150 door first, then (Ugghh) pay for my coin service. I'm hoping we can make an agreement to get the coin submitted first, I want to have it before school starts in a slab and I am struggling to find my first job. Gawd, the thing is, my parents know absolutely nothing about coins and it is soo frusterating. I just can't teach them. For example while I was in the coin shop in sahara coins the indian head coin was in a plastic PVC flip, my mom wondered how the coin could be counterfeit if it was in that slip, she thought someone put that in the flip and somehow it stayed there ever since it was minted. I had to explain to her that someone (obviously) put the coin in the flip, and it was entered circulation.
Since they only graded the coin AU-55, and since it wasn't mint state, the dealer recommended I did not get it encapsuled, he said it was not worth the money (since it wasn't a mint state or better condition). However, if I was ever to sell the coin, it would be extremely hard to sell the coin raw, especially on a place like eBay, where counterfeits are common. My dad today told me not to get it slabbed because at least in his words, "It would not add to its value.". It will, absolutely add to its value.
As if that's not enough, my dads computer crashed, and the computer is dead now. The internet crashed, and my dad being a computer wiz and technition said the computer is "dead". So he says he will have to get a new card for it or something. I think my parents finally agreed that I could pay for the coin service first, but there's another problem; I cannot print the submission forum on my computer! Even if I try, when I download the submission forum the text is all garbage. My other computer I cannot get on the internet even. So unless I can find a ANACS forum submission, I'm done for.
Soon, this summer, my parents are forcing me to go to military camp in Wisconsin, for a agonizing 3 weeks. I'm sorry I had to make this thread, I'm just so upset and angry..I had to vent somehow
My parents said I would have to pay for the $150 door first, then (Ugghh) pay for my coin service. I'm hoping we can make an agreement to get the coin submitted first, I want to have it before school starts in a slab and I am struggling to find my first job. Gawd, the thing is, my parents know absolutely nothing about coins and it is soo frusterating. I just can't teach them. For example while I was in the coin shop in sahara coins the indian head coin was in a plastic PVC flip, my mom wondered how the coin could be counterfeit if it was in that slip, she thought someone put that in the flip and somehow it stayed there ever since it was minted. I had to explain to her that someone (obviously) put the coin in the flip, and it was entered circulation.
Since they only graded the coin AU-55, and since it wasn't mint state, the dealer recommended I did not get it encapsuled, he said it was not worth the money (since it wasn't a mint state or better condition). However, if I was ever to sell the coin, it would be extremely hard to sell the coin raw, especially on a place like eBay, where counterfeits are common. My dad today told me not to get it slabbed because at least in his words, "It would not add to its value.". It will, absolutely add to its value.
As if that's not enough, my dads computer crashed, and the computer is dead now. The internet crashed, and my dad being a computer wiz and technition said the computer is "dead". So he says he will have to get a new card for it or something. I think my parents finally agreed that I could pay for the coin service first, but there's another problem; I cannot print the submission forum on my computer! Even if I try, when I download the submission forum the text is all garbage. My other computer I cannot get on the internet even. So unless I can find a ANACS forum submission, I'm done for.
Soon, this summer, my parents are forcing me to go to military camp in Wisconsin, for a agonizing 3 weeks. I'm sorry I had to make this thread, I'm just so upset and angry..I had to vent somehow
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You are right, they will never understand coins. It is your hobby not theirs.
Do the right thing. Pay them back first it will make a big difference in the future.
Good luck and God Bless.
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
Any who...how did you break a door. I mean, im a kid, and i do some crazy stuff around the house but i have never broken a door. Maybe a few windows, and lamps...but no doors. Dont worry about your 3 week camp...It will get you in shape for da women! Just get a job, pay back for the door, and be patient and wait till after camp to anacs your coin!
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<< <i> the dealer recommended I did not get it encapsuled, he said it was not worth the money... >>
Okay, the coin cost you $240 raw and the dealer said not to get it slabbed since "it was not worth the money"?
Am I the only one that sees what's going on here?
GoldCoinLover, Please take the coin back to the dealer and get your money back. Use the $240 to pay for the door and buy only slabbed gold coins for the time being.
If you're not going to do this, at least have the dealer send the coin to ANACS on your behalf. That way, if/when the coin doesn't slab...
">"http://www.cashcrate.com/5663377"
Your folks are your best friends. Think about it.
They may just have your best interest at heart.
<< <i>When I was nine years old I had a gold fish that died. >>
You broke you parents door a while ago (a $150 expense). . . but recently spent $240 to purchase a coin for yourself. Now, you are irritated that your parents are asking that you pay for the door before you spend $35 (on yourself) to have somebody else give you an opinion as to whether or not it is authentic and then possibly seal it in a piece of plastic (a luxury and not necessary).
Your parents sound more than kind in allowing you to postpose paying for the door you broke and allowing you to buy a toy for yourself (yes, coins are just another kind of toy). It seems more than reasonable that they ask you to pay for the door before you send your coin to ANACS (BTW, the dealer was right and it is not worth $35 and it will not add value to your coin . . . just wait until you try to sell it for more because it is certified . . .that dog don't hunt).
Sorry son, but you are being selfish. I bet you are a nice kid and it sounds like your home life ain't all that bad . . . after all, how many of your friends are able to collect $5 gold pieces (in addition to your other fine coins).
Take a moment and do the responsible and mature thing . . . apologize to your parents for thinking of yourself first and promise them you will pay for the door the first chance you get.
Lane (father of 3 little ones)
P.S. I am not trying to sound mean, just trying to help you put things into a different perspective.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Anacs will mail you one for free if you call or fill out the request online.
Even so, your coin isn't going anywhere. Since the ANA requires a 100% authenticity guarantee for life, you can certify that coin later. Then again, if you're not reselling it, it doesn't need to be slabbed immediately anyway, since that's the reason you give for slabbing it. Finally, if you have doubts as to authenticity, don't go and spend all your money on a coin.... really, not smart...
Now, go pay your parents.
Jeremy
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My advice to you would be to take a few days to define your collecting goals. Which coins interest you? Look through the red book, online, picture posts on these boards, etc......Next, make a list of each coin you want and the grade/price range. Your goal could be a type set, date set, series, etc. Perhaps start a registry set. Your goals can change in the future. It helps to have a plan when walking into a coin shop.
Once you've accomplished this, the real fun begins. Learn about the specific coins/series on your list, and practice Patience when hunting for them. If it's gold coins you like, promise yourself to buy only certified coins. Gold coins that retail under $1000 are readily available, so don't feel as if you MUST purchase a particular coin....others will eventually show up.
If you formulate a plan and abide by it, you will get more enjoyment out of this hobby and your collection. $240 + $40 grading+s/h/i = $280 for an AU55 $5 Indian???
roadrunner
<< <i>I still wana know what you were doing to that door! >>
Personally, I have depression in real life, and get irritiable easily. I feel very suicidal all the time. According to my parents, some of the smallest most minor things really upset me/make me angry. Before, I have kicked down many doors, purely out of anger, I really can't control myself. Many months ago I was sent to a mental institute, we used to call it the 'nut house', because quite frankly, it was. That place was a scary place, and I still have nightmares about going back there. I was alot worse than I was now with anger, I've gotten most of it under controll. I also seem to have ADHD and be very compulsive about things. It's the most frusterating feeling ever. Once I find something I have to do, I do it untill I finish that goal, and thats all I think about, it basically ruins my life. I'm far from being stupid though, I'm not mentally retarded or anything like that, just have depression and an anger problem. I do very well in school.
PS: Thanks for the help everyone. I really thought I was right about this. It's frusterating, I sincerly apologize to anyone I annoy with my compulsive action towards gold coins. And I just am afraid its fake. Getting it certified helps ease the stress.
<< <i>I feel very suicidal all the time. According to my parents, some of the smallest most minor things really upset me/make me angry. Before, I have kicked down many doors, purely out of anger, I really can't control myself. Many months ago I was sent to a mental institute, we used to call it the 'nut house', because quite frankly, it was. That place was a scary place, and I still have nightmares about going back there. >>
Sounds like some real issue that you still haven't worked out... How old are you BTW?
That's a good thing.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
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<< <i>I feel very suicidal all the time. According to my parents, some of the smallest most minor things really upset me/make me angry. Before, I have kicked down many doors, purely out of anger, I really can't control myself. Many months ago I was sent to a mental institute, we used to call it the 'nut house', because quite frankly, it was. That place was a scary place, and I still have nightmares about going back there. >>
Sounds like some real issue that you still haven't worked out... How old are you BTW? >>
Normally I wouldn't tell people personally info like this, especially on a forum, but I really trust the people on this forum, lots of helpful folks. I'm 16.
and maybe have better news
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
In that case, the LAST thing you want to do is start sending coins out to be slabbed. No, I'm not kidding.
Buy coins already in slabs or buy coins that don't need to be slabbed. And good luck!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Yes, return the coin if you can. Get that door paid for. Which is more important, your parents or the gold coin? I also agree it sounds like your dealer is trying to rip you. Any time someone sells you something of value and counsels you to not show it to an expert for an opinion (for any reason), run like hell. >>
I think you misunderstood what I said. He just said it wasn't worth getting slabbed because it was only AU-55 and not a higher grade. Also it was just a common date.
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GoldCoinLover, Please take the coin back to the dealer and get your money back. Use the $240 to pay for the door and buy only slabbed gold coins for the time being. >>
It sounds as though your Mom was with you when you made the purchase. Have her go back with you and return the coin. Tell her your plans to use the money to pay for the door (or did she buy the coin for you?) and i'm sure she will be more than glad to go with you, face the dealer and get your money back. I know at this moment that you don't think you should let this "find" get away, but there are plenty of "gold" fish in the pond and I have no doubt you will make a better catch at a better time.
GoldCoinLover - Unless you're in a rush to sell, there's no rush to certify the coin. And if you have doubts about the authenticity of the coin, post an image. Usually we can spot fakes from a scan.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
if you are local,see if the dealer will take the coin back or at least give you a store credit for something in the future.
i would take a wild guess that even an AU55 gold piece should be in a holder.
i just returned to the hobby and already have peed away too much money !
you sound like a good young man,though a little impulsive,much like myself.
i think i suffer from obsesive compulsive dis-order or OCD.
if the dealer wont refund your money,i think there are enough people here that would donate a buck each or so to get it graded just so we know !
just pick somebody you trust to send it in and i will send my buck or whatever !
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if you promise not to do it again and go to camp !
i will start a "Gold coin fix the door fund"
I will start with 10 bucks.
You need to under stand that kicking down doors will not solve anything.
when i was younger i liked to punch in-animate objects untill i punched a cabinet and caught a shelve square behind the door and broke 12 bones in my hand !
it took 4 operations to make it work again and it still dont work that well.
next time ya get pissed,think about it first
Love
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Starting a "Gold coin fix the door fund" will not help him. While your heart is in the right place, he needs to pay for the damage himself. It's the responsible thing to do.
Years ago I used to take rocks and hit them as far as I could with a tennis racket. One day I cracked the windshield of a neighbors car who lived way down the street. He'd seen me earlier and told my parents what happened.
Now, should my parents pay for the damage or should I? If my parents pay, what's keeping me from doing it again?
Needless to say, I had to pay for it. It took me forever, but I finally finished paying and I NEVER hit rocks again.
Lesson learned!
Proof
Are you serious?? That's not a good idea- You'd be short-circuiting this kid's opportunity to take responsibility. If he's 16, and has been buying gold coins, he can take care of broken doors...
GCL- it seems that you have a fair amount of anxiety regarding counterfeit gold coins. The LAST thing you want to be doing is spending full retail on raw gold coins from dealers who tell you ridiculous things regarding $240 gold coins not being worth slabbing. That's absurd, and at the very least it doesn't speak well of his credibility. If you want to enjoy collecting gold coins more, then buy nice quality slabbed coins until you have acquired the knowledge to spot counterfeits a mile away. But first, pay for your parents door, and worry about everything else later!!
I guess I am more spoiled than I thought. I really am selfish. There's alot of stuff more that I didnt' tell you folks. When I got to the coin shop I only had $220. I ended up spending over $310. How'd I get that extra money? My parents paid the $100+ difference. They said I didn't/don't have to pay them back.
A person on these forums named Loanshark gave me $100 check, to go towards a gold coin. In exchange for me to buy him 2 nice walking libertys. He said he didn't want it to be a "dollar for dollar" trade, but my family and I decided to give him a nice one in there. I got loanshark a 1942 D in XF-40 and a more rare 1937 S in XF-45 (for 46$). My parents thought I should pay for it myself. But it certainly is hard, I'm 16 and still cannot find my first job. I've filled out countless applications, got inverviewd once at In-N-Out; but to no avail. Sometimes my parents give me small jobs around the house, and that's how I get some money.
GCL- I'm glad that you're trying to look around yourself and notice the positive things that people are doing for you- that's a great sign for someone who's 16. I don't think it's an issue of you being selfish- you're 16 and trying to learn how to give back- it's a process that takes time. If you truly have these significant mental health problems, just try to focus on getting access to quality therapy, medications if needed, and trying to get along fairly well with your parents. If you're not getting some type of consistent counseling, then talk to your parents about accessing it NOW. Coins should be on the back burner, and should be FUN when you do focus on them (which goes back to the advice about buying slabbed gold). In case you're wondering why I'm saying all these things- I'm a masters level therapist who provides therapy for adolescents and their families- good luck!
<< <i> We'll see when it comes back from ANACS. >>
Is it just me, or did he just answer his own question?
I assure you, you'll feel a great sense of accomplishment by returning the coin and paying for the damaged door first. On top of that, your parents will be amazed at your show of responsibility and you'll be on your way to being a man.
Few things feel better than resisting a selfish urge and doing the right thing.
worry about your medication and counseling first.
take the coin back and repay your parents for the door - they will really impressed!!!!
why do you even want a coin that could be fake - go get your money back while you can.
Why do we assume the coin is a fake? It was purchased from a recommended dealer. Most lower grade authentic Indian $5's are probably raw and real. It seems like there is a guilty until proven innocent mentality here which I feel is wrong!
You're 16 y/o and you cannot find a job? I started caddying at the local county club when I was 13 years old, and I mowed neighbors' lawns to earn my spending money. I saved and bought a used snow blower when I was 14, and I cleared neighbors' drive ways to earn money during the winter.
I'm sure there are lots of things you could be doing to earn money. If there aren't any country clubs in your area, why don't you look into getting a paper route or lifeguarding at the public pool?
Another thing...sounds to me like you need to learn to respect other people's property - your parent's door would be a good start. It is not ok to express every emotion you have whenever you feel like it. Learn to control yourself, and get better.
Looks like lots of wings to get taken under around here !
Proof
Here's what you need:
1. In the words of Snoop Doggy Dog, you need a 'jobby job.' There's LOTS of jobs around. I started working when I was 11 and I have worked before, during, after, under and around school, and all my adult life and I am now 54. Don't sit around waiting for other people to give you money; this is American, go earn it! People get off the plane here that don't speak English, and, in a year, they own businesses, real estate, and are successful. Just do it.
2. Pick yourself up and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Nobody is perfect or even close, and we have all stumbled and taken some falls. Get up, get your head on straight, or go get some good professional help -- ie., psychotherapy or a good shrink. Everything you have described : depression, ADHD, compulsive stuff -- there's outstanding medication for all of it -- if you need it, get it, and take it.
3. Knock the stuffing out of your military camp; show yourself and your parents that you can take care of business and do what needs to be done.
4. If numismatics floats your boat, learn everything you can from the people on here and read some books on what you are interested in. Knowledge is power. Then do this about anything you become interested in. School teaches you how to sit still and shut up for long hours so you can sit still and shut in from 9 to 5 in some dead-end job; people educate themselves. There's more books than you have time to read, so get busy.
5. If you are not already, get yourself in good physical shape: run, life weights, bike. Nothing makes your feel better than the chemicals your own body produces after a workout, nothing.
6. You have your whole life ahead of you; don't make a career out of being a screw-up!
<< <i>I'm sorry I had to make this thread, I'm just so upset and angry..I had to vent somehow
At least you aren't getting sued. Things could be worse, y'know...
Many of the things that you mention regarding your own behavior and experiences are strong correlating factors that would point towards a possible diagnosis of ADHD. Just in reading your posts to this thread I can itentify as many as ten of fifteen such correlations. A qualified physician or counselor with experience in this area would have to give an official diagnosis, of course; but they would do so based on correlating factors as the physiological basis behind ADHD/ADD is not fully understood.
With or without a diagnosis, the most important factors in the fight against ADHD are knowledge, planning, and organization; both for you and for your family. Medicating the condition is often helpful but not nearly as important as understanding oneself and learning to work with ADHD instead of fighting against it. A shocking percentage of individuals with improbable "rags-to-riches" life stories in both traditional and non-traditional careers have "suffered" from moderate to sever cases of ADHD their entire lives. There are as many benefits to having ADHD as there are problems, and if well prepared one can reap the rewards while avoiding the majority of the perils.
If you are interested, feel free to PM me with contact info and a good time during the evening or weekend to contact you and I would be happy to give you more information on this subject as well as a good place for both you and your parents to start learning more. I would also be more than happy to give you my thoughts and advice on your current situation at that time.
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
And good luck with keeping your personal affairs under control.
roadrunner