Finally found a Holy Grail of sorts...

mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 1:30AM

Long story short - I've been looking for one of these for a while. However, I don't have the kind of cash to throw around that a lot of people in the hobby do - I'm still in school and there are definitely a lot better ways to spend my money than on cardboard pictures with nice corners, but the hobby makes me happy so I buy a little something every now and then. I found this on Naxcom and was able to get it for a whole lot less than I thought the seller would take. I'm really happy because even though it's not perfect, it is going to PSA for grading as soon as I get it and it will be the first one graded. Then straight on to my set registry. 1973 Nolan Ryan Topps Candy Lid!

Front

Back

I don't know what to expect for a grade - probably a 5 or a 6. The chipping on the back isn't halping it much, but the centering is a lot better than the only other one I've ever seen (in the last Mastro auction). Hey Keith or Scott - what kind of a weight do you thinnk this guy should have???

mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 1:33AM

Oops - the lot I saw was in the Robert Edwards auction. Mastro had the unopened box of 24 (the picture showed 8 pieces, only 1 of which had a blue lid). For a set of 55, I don't like those odds of pulling a Ryan for that kind of money!

sjeanblanc · May 10, 2004 1:50AM

In the end its not what we think the card should weight. Joe Orlando determines all the card weights for the Set Registry.

Excellent pick-up, you don't see those lying around to often. Congrats.

Scott Jeanblanc
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CON40 · May 10, 2004 2:03AM

Scott;

You can suggest to Joe what the weight of a card should be... the "10" is measured as the PSA 8 price of a 1968 Topps... I know the 68 OPC, 68 VZ, 74 Deckle should price at "11" by that rationale, but that's another story!

According to Nolan News, the Candy lid prices at 250 top 500 in NM. I would suggest to Joe a weight of about 5 or 6. I think that would be in line with other weights.

You know, when we submit a new master checklist, we should submit suggested weights across the board from .5 up to 10. They'd appreciate our input.

CON40 · May 10, 2004 2:04AM

Jeff;

That is a VERY nice find!!! I think that may grade as high as a 7 if you don't have any scuffs or marks on it. How much did it set you back if you don't mind? Kit Young has been pushing one w/o a tab for $100 for about a year now.

mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 2:30AM

Seller was asking $385 on Naxcom. I posted a buy offer of $75, expecting to get shot down of course. The beckett on it is 50/100. He emailed me back and said "This is a very rare item, etc., and I talked it over with the wife and there's no way we can take less than $100 for it. My heart jumped in my throat and I immediately accepted. The thing is, he couldn't get the Naxcom site to work for him, so I was really worried - I walked myself through it and it worked fine for me. I emailed him STEP BY STEP the exact process he needed to go through, and lo and behold this morning it went through! He is mailing it today, so with the special I should have it graded by next week! The crazy think is that he said he had posted it on their site over a year ago - I don't know how I got so lucky!

Just wanted to repost the PM Keith - stuff like this is what makes the hobby so great for me. Granted, this is really the first "great find" I've ever had. For each one of these, I'm sure there will be 10 "wax boxes purchased from overtimecards" type deals.

67standup · May 10, 2004 2:39AM

<< <i>According to Nolan News... >>

Okay, what is Nolan News?

CON40 · May 10, 2004 3:00AM

Nolan News was a pretty well done fan mag on Ryan in the 90s. They had an extensive chacklist of everything and anything that Ryan appeared on or in. I have a few copies of the checklist, but I don't think it's around anymore. Even though, it is still a tremendous reference on anything Nolie!

CON40 · May 10, 2004 3:02AM

Jeff;

Just thought I'd post my excitement from you PM... That is one heck of a deal you got! I also have a feeling it will grade higher than a 5 or 6. I love ot hear stories about someone who gets a card of a player they really love and they didn't get gouged in the process! Way to go!

67standup · May 10, 2004 3:27AM

Did Nolan News ever elaborate on the 1968 Venezuelan, how many exist, value, who owns them, etc. On a side note, I was always curious how Venezuelans were distributed.

CON40 · May 10, 2004 4:00AM

Nolan News has the 1968 VZ priced from $4K to $8K in NM-MT... of course, none exist in that condition! No word on how it was distrubuted. That's a good question. I imagine in wax packs or racks.

speeder · May 10, 2004 7:42AM

hey mudflap, heres a 73 candy lid thats a psa-6 if want to compare. the set weight on this in the johnny bench master set registry
is 2.50. set weight is determined by value ($) in psa-8 condition. it gets alittle haywire though in the hard to find items. there will be no examples of anything ever graded as high as an 8. soooo,, its guess work time. I have noticed that ryan items are more expensive when
graded the same (as bench) so you may get a 4, possibly a 5 grade weight. hope this helps.

mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 8:28AM

How does the back compare? The one I got has some pretty bad chipping.

speeder · May 10, 2004 9:38AM

here ya go,

mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 9:50AM

Yours is centered a little better, but other than that they look about the same. I'm going to expect a 5 and be happy with anything higher than that - I haven't even seen mine yet though. It might have the Grand Canyon that I couldn't see in the pic. Who cares- I can't wait to blow $10 to get this thing graded. The only thing that sucks is that I have to pay $11.50 shipping for it, so I'm probably going to throw 1 other card in with it, probably a 71 Dell Team Stamp since that won't qualify for any modern specials anyhow (expecting an 8 MC - I probably messed up pulling it out of the album and I don't know how strict they are on grading those things). When you factor in shipping, it's 1 for $20 or 2 for $30. A couple of good things could happen from this - could get it back a little quicker (you're damn sure that "2 cards inside!) is going to be written in capital letters on the outside of the box, and maybe the Grader of Death will be happy that he can finish with the whole order in less than 5 minutes, as opposed to a 500 card dealer monster submission. We shall see..

speeder · May 10, 2004 10:20AM

how about that, heres something that you might like, or compare with :

kinda strange

magellan · May 10, 2004 10:52AM

I'm not a Ryan collector but your excitement is contagious ! Congratulations on landing a card that you enjoy so much at a reasonable price mudflap ! The Ryan Club (trademark?)on here has some great collectors and I enjoy all your posts.

Dave

CON40 · May 10, 2004 11:08AM

Dave;

Wanna join the club? We are a crazy, but fun, group willing to throw hundreds of dollars at modern cards! Come, join the madness!

sjeanblanc · May 10, 2004 12:44PM

Hey! I resent that, I'm not throwing hundreds of dollars away. I'm donating to the 4_Sharp_Corners 401K Plan. I've just made significant purchases in the Nolan Ryan fund.

Hey Mudflap02,

I bought the other one of those 73 Topps Candy Cup lids, except I suck at bartering so I paid full price.

Will you negotiate my card purchases from now on? Say a 15% finders fee for every tough to find card?

Let me know,

Scott Jeanblanc
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CON40 · May 10, 2004 1:00PM

Scott;

4-Sharp-Corners 401-K Plan! LOL! I also like the performance of the Discount Sportscard (DSL) Fund!

What's this? I missed out on 2 Candy Lids? I'm getting lazy! Nice going Scott, are you going to grade yours too?

sjeanblanc · May 10, 2004 2:11PM

I hope its worth grading, otherwise I through a lot of $$ down the crapper, but hey that wouldn't be anything new, at least it was less than what I paid for that 68 OPC piece of sh!t.

Ok, I am about to give up on this one. I can't for the life of me find a MINT condition 1988 Score Nolan Ryan. I have gone through 8 wax boxes, 4 sets, and 12 card purchases from various card stores and I still don't have one without screwed corners. The wax boxes are utterly f**ng useless, g*d D**n mini mother F**ng motion cards, 99% of the cards have corners in need of viagra. The sets all seem to have white touches on the corners and the ones from the cardstores all exhibit the same properties. Anybody have a PSA 9 or PSA 10, I do the EOMint and pay top dollar for one.

While I'm ranting what f**ng brainiac at Donruss thought it was a good f**ng Idea to cello wrap the d**n sets! All the cards are friggin useless, the corners are destroyed. Those cello wrappers are on there tighter than size 3 jeans on a size 4 female.

Guess it was a bad night to open these wax boxes and sets.

Scott Jeanblanc
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mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 3:42PM

Scott-
Have you looked at an 88 Score in BGS 9.5 and tried to cross it over? They can be picked up regularly for less than $15 - I got mine for around $11 and it's a solid 9, maybe an 11 or 12. I have one I'm going to send in with some other crossovers later on (in a month when nothing good catches my eye on eBay, ie Febtober). I still don't have the nuts to crack anything decent and submit it raw. I bought some BCCG trash to practice on and I felt like the Elephant Man trying to do open heart surgery - needless to say the results weren't pretty.

Scott- did you buy yours off Naxcom as well?

As far as the Nolan Ryan Mafia goes, we run this town.

sjeanblanc · May 11, 2004 12:52AM

Yep, bought it off Naxcom.

I'll look into the BGS thing, but I have been toasted so many times by BGS/BVG graded stuff that I don't know if I want to go that route.

Scott Jeanblanc
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CON40 · May 11, 2004 1:05AM

As far as the Nolan Ryan Mafia goes, we run this town.

If this is the Ryan Cosa Nostra can I be the Godfather... at least until Scott puts out a hit on me? LOL! I have the last name for it you goombahs!

Scott, I got my PSA 9 88 Score from a BGS 9.5 cross as well... I bought two of them and one was clearly not going to make the grade, but the other was sharp as a tack and crossed to the 9. I may have had $35 into the two of them so it wasn't too bad. I think BGS is ok with the modern cheap stuff... just stay away from OPCs and anything vintage for more than $50 in raw value and I think you'll be ok. I even crossed a 88 Kenner SLU card from BGS 9 to PSA 9 so it's worth the risk most times!

Now, Scott, I want that 85 Topps Mini in PSA 9... and I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse! You own any horses?

sjeanblanc · May 11, 2004 1:20AM

Hey Keith,

The cards came in yesterday, I love that FGA 10 1988 Topps Ryan, bet that would be a PSA 7 in a crossover.

Wasn't there a flurry at some point last year of raw 1985 Topps Mini's Ryans? I thought you picked one up?

Scott Jeanblanc
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CON40 · May 11, 2004 1:43AM

Scott;

I thought you might like that FGA 10 Ryan! It'll make a good coaster for a cup o' java! LOL! Can't beat that Humpty Dumpty Ryan though!

I bid on the PSA 10 in MHCC auction... came up short by $400 before the vig. I did have somehting else going on a raw one, but I pulled the plug for fear it was trimmed... so, I am still without a copy.

magellan · May 11, 2004 12:55PM

<< <i>Come, join the madness! >>

Keith , have you looked at that list in my signature?

If I started collecting anything else I'd have to go back to mac & cheese every night and drink domestic beer.

Dave

Although I do have about 6 graded Ryan cards and probably 70-80 different issues raw . hmmmmm

CON40 · May 11, 2004 1:38PM

Dave;

Mac and cheese tastes pretty good, and you can always start making home brew! LOL! 6 graded and 75 raw? You're well on your way!

mudflap02 · May 25, 2004 2:24AM

PSA made the deadline with 16 hours to spare. Better than I hoped on the candy lid, what I was thinking in the back of my mind on the Dell.

556916, Zip 77840

I wonder how there can be evidence of trimming on a hand cut card? Oh well- just goes to show how great of a pickup those Hostess cards were.

CON40 · May 25, 2004 2:29AM

Jeff;

A PSA 6 on that Candy Lid is nothing to sneeze at! I knew that looked nicer than a PSA 5... guess it couldn't pull a 7 though as I predicted. Too bad on the Dell Stamp... did you tear it out or trim it out of the book?

This is giving me the urge to make another submission!

Nice job again on that Candy Lid!

mudflap02 · May 25, 2004 2:30AM

I cut it out- guess that wasn't the way to go. 10 bucks well spent right there.

CON40 · May 25, 2004 2:50AM

PSA doesn't like it when you cut out perforated cards... I got nailed twice on SI Kids Ryans doing it that way. Since then, I have had pretty good luck folding the perfs very carefully back and forth several times and then tearing against a stright edge (like a metal ruler). If you get extra fuzz on the perfs, you can trim them away with an Xacto knife really carefully... if the stamp or card is well centered, you should get an 8 this way. I've done it to about 10 SI Kids cards and all got 8s (except for the two I trimmed out with a knife early on).

sjeanblanc · May 25, 2004 3:03AM

Congrats Mudflap on the 73 Candy Lid and thanks Keith for the info on the Dell Stamps, I've been debating about how to extract them.

Keith, you might have to do a submission, the big dog is closing in.

On the Ryan list I will get that back to you this weekend with the card weight included, that way you can let me know what you think and we can propose the list to everyone else. Then with a consensus we can have BJ update the Master set and the Topps set, because both are woefully lacking.

Scott Jeanblanc
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CON40 · May 25, 2004 3:09AM

Scott;

I knew it was just a metter of time... you ARE going to put a hit out on me! Just don't give the contract to Robin Ventura cuz he ain't got a chance of whacking me! LOL!

sjeanblanc · May 25, 2004 3:20AM

Na, nothing violent like that. I'm just going to chase you up the mountain, whether I catch you or not, only time and money available will tell.

Scott Jeanblanc
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Finally found a Holy Grail of sorts...

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