GAI registry up and running on Monday

grilloj39 · May 6, 2004 9:36AM

Just a quick note, I spoke with Danny Fisher, the GAI registry will be up and running on Monday. PSA and SGC cards will be allowed on the GAI registry.

Mantlefan · May 6, 2004 9:58AM

No offense meant, but why are you posting this on the PSA Registry board?

AlanAllen · May 6, 2004 10:00AM

Monday August 13, 2007?

1420sports · May 6, 2004 10:04AM

I am curious about this, and I know I will check it out.

grilloj39 · May 6, 2004 10:06AM

Mantlefan...none taken.

Because maybe some PSA set only collectors or those who collect mixed grade sets w/PSA might be interested. If not, then no problem with me. If anyone wants any further info, they can call GAI themselves or e-mail me. But I don't see a problem with a quick post.

koby · May 6, 2004 10:08AM

Thanks for the update, John. Definitely looking forward to seeing this universal registry thing. Can you ask Danny or Steve whether they ccan include BGS cards in this registry?

AlanAllen · May 6, 2004 10:23AM

Actually, I'm very interested to see what they do about packs. If they have sets like "1955-1964 Topps football penny packs" I'll probably pursue a few.

Joe

67standup · May 6, 2004 10:43AM

<< <i>But I don't see a problem with a quick post. >>

I've been waiting for this news as I have a few mixed sets. I think it's good for the hobby. For those who live and die PSA...get over it.

murcerfan · May 6, 2004 11:47AM

I'm holding my breath.

Can I register sets composed entirely of PSA and SGC slabs

PSA and SGC are my grading company's of choice, NOT GAI... but I want to play around on their nickel and promote my choices

also......will they have a chat board soon too ??

qualitycards · May 6, 2004 11:53AM

MF brings up an interesting point, say I have a complete '65 PSA set of 598 cards, could I list them on the GAI set registry too? Or is a % allowed w/ GAI being the majority of cards per set? Plus I doubt GAI would have access to PSA & SGC's certification base, so how do they know that I have in my possesion the cards that I register. Between dealer inventories, auction house and eBay, one could come up with an awesome set or 2, granted it would be fake, but how would they know? I'm not busting their chops, just curious how a multiple graded base set would work...jay

gaspipe26 · May 6, 2004 11:56AM

Jay,
I was wondering the same thing.

goodriddance189 · May 6, 2004 11:57AM

do they have access to the PSA cert. # database? what would stop me from registering a fake serial number, or one that belongs to someone else?

edit guess Jay beat me to it

murcerfan · May 6, 2004 12:07PM

I heard they are also buying out SGC on Tuesday.

...taking over Mastro on wednesday.

..........crossing over Dumitiri's 10's on thursday.

...buffing out Davallilo on Friday.

.........raising their fees on Saturady.

...and resting on Sunday.

grilloj39 · May 6, 2004 12:28PM

Jay...there are no strings attached. Sets can be 100% PSA, SGC, GAI or a mixture-thereof--that I do know. What I don't know is if/how they are going to verify PSA and SGC slabbed cards....will it be an honor system or will they have access to the databases? Time will tell I guess.

aro13 · May 6, 2004 12:51PM

i just read on an ebay auction that the GAI population report will also be out within the next couple of weeks. I am very curious to see how they are going to incorporate all of the different grading company cards into this set registry.

ctsoxfan · May 6, 2004 1:33PM

How can they verify the non-GAI slabs? I know PSA surely isn't letting them have access to their database, why would they? I would be curious to hear how they can pull that off, and, if it's an "honor system" registry only...forget about it.

RobE · May 6, 2004 1:41PM

<< <i>Jay,
I was wondering the same thing. >>

Ditto.

How would that work?

RobE · May 6, 2004 1:44PM

I like the idea but you got to admit jay's point addresses a recipie for disaster.

wolfbear · May 6, 2004 2:04PM

I'm planning to register a couple of 'virtual sets'.

Finally there is a use for my flip collection.
I've just been throwing them into a box when I break out a GAI, SGC, BGS, or SCD card.

Does anyone know if we get extra points for '1st graded' flips ?

Basilone · May 6, 2004 2:16PM

How bout this...

Someone posts a set over there comprised of GAI cards that have cracked out and submitted to PSA.

How funny would it be to have a picture with each card showing a destroyed GAI slab or just the flip.

Vargha · May 6, 2004 2:18PM

Can I register sets composed entirely of PSA and SGC slabs

When I spoke with Rocchi and Fisher a few months back, they had indicated that it would not be a problem. Personally, I think it's a good idea but with the obvious verification bugs mentioned. I think it will help the hobby overall. What about PRO cards though? I'm considering going for 52 Topps in all PRO 10's.

CON40 · May 6, 2004 2:19PM

Does anyone know if I can register my PRO cards, too? Seriously, a novel idea... I bet there will be many kinks to work out as they roll out the service, but time will tell if they can make it work.

Dhjacks · May 6, 2004 2:21PM

The 'honor' system can still be useful. It just eliminates the competitive aspect.
Although many of you have your own spread-sheet created, the GAI registry would still be a convenient alternative to logging in your cards, including which company graded them and at what grade.

murcerfan · May 6, 2004 3:19PM

has global even graded any sets to the point of possible completion ?

highend · May 6, 2004 4:24PM

it sounds haphazard and destined to fail, but we will see.

Scumbi · May 6, 2004 9:01PM

I'm with highend. I think the idea to allow mixed company grading is okay, but what does it really prove since standards vary with each grading company. Also, GAI was supposed to have this up and running almost a year ago. I think the PSA registry has solidified during that time. I can't see any chance of breaking the PSA registry dynasty now. Additonally, spending hours adding cards into a registry isn't exactly a whoopie fest. Do you think people will really want to go through the tedious process again?

Maybe GAI is eager to attract some attention to their website, but will having a number one set on GAI mean anything since the PSA leaders can simply move their sets over and take over if they feel like it? If I'm second on the GAI board does it mean anything if my set value puts me 18th on the PSA registry?

If GAI had something to offer in exchange for posting on their registry maybe people would be more excited. They could offer free GAI sticker grades without breaking slabs. People could elect to reholder the card if they like the crossover grade better, but I don't see GAI half grades selling for anything more than PSA full grades (GAI 6.5 = PSA 6). Plus, why waste the time doing free submissions. The return would be minimal.

The only benefit could be an increase in GAI common prices because people might be able to put together sets for less if they are just starting out. There's very little demand for GAI commons because crossovers are expensive and the rate of success is less than 50% on straight grade to grade transfers.

Is anyone here super excited? Maybe I'm missing something.

1420sports · May 6, 2004 9:11PM

An "interactive" registry is an interesting concept and it puts Global even more on the map in my opinion. If someone registers a Mickey Mantle player set, for example, there are now three grading co's to choose from versus three individual registries and companies. This is where I would want to be if I were Global. I would offer this type of registry to collectors, and hope that if the registry is indeed a success, more people will have cards crossed over or graded via the exemplar service.

GAI may no longer be an "out of sight, out of mind" grading company and us collectors will benefit from that.

jrdolan · May 6, 2004 9:24PM

Anything that keeps PSA on its toes and thinking about how to hold onto its customers has to be a good thing. But I agree the "honor system" registry is sort of meaningless. Anyone could claim to have a 1952 Topps set, straight PSA 9's with one GAI 9. If they do have a way of verifying PSA and SGC cards, that would be great. Just hard to imagine how.

1420sports · May 6, 2004 9:46PM

There would not be any fun or financial gain in making up a fake set. So why do it.

If I'm second on the GAI board does it mean anything if my set value puts me 18th on the PSA registry?

Yes, it means that you are second on the GAI and 18th on PSA registries.

GoSoxBoSox · May 6, 2004 11:47PM

I'm staying strictly with PSA's registry. Without cert verification it's a waste of time in my opinion.

But to each his own.

RobE · May 7, 2004 12:39AM

I think it's a great idea to have the option of 3 different comapnies to build an online set with but the first time someone discoveres that one of their PSA cards was swiped to build the GAI experience it's going to cause some headaches.

What if someone decides to take a Marshall Fogel set and list the entire thing?
How long will it take for anyone to realize it?

Sometimes people go out of their way to be jerks though most folks respect the Honor system,but you know there will be a few bad apples experimenting out there.

Chew · May 7, 2004 12:48AM

<< <i>MF brings up an interesting point, say I have a complete '65 PSA set of 598 cards, could I list them on the GAI set registry too? Or is a % allowed w/ GAI being the majority of cards per set? Plus I doubt GAI would have access to PSA & SGC's certification base, so how do they know that I have in my possesion the cards that I register. Between dealer inventories, auction house and eBay, one could come up with an awesome set or 2, granted it would be fake, but how would they know? I'm not busting their chops, just curious how a multiple graded base set would work...jay >>

I have no idea what there plans are. I do know that in coins that NGC has been doing a registry that includes other grading companies, the same way that GAI plans on doing it for cards. The NGC registry is very succesful. I doubt that Collectors Universe gives them there data base either. It can obviously be done.

Thanks H. Walker

Fabfrank · May 7, 2004 1:30AM

I don't collect GAI cards, but this open registry is a very good idea. It'll bring traffic to their website and hopefully (for them) increase awareness of their product. I think the naysayers that are obsessing over cert. number verification, stolen scans, etc. should get over it. GAI should not offer any certificates and use their registry as simply a place to showcase ones collection.
As for people "creating" fake sets, I can't see it happening. How insecure must someone be to steal scans or cert #'s from someone else, just to post them on a website for, at most, a certificate? With all the knowledgeable collectors on just this board alone, it would be impossible to get away with. Imagine the abuse that person would receive. Unless that person likes wearing a "scarlet letter" of shame.
I'll be using this for my player sets which contain PSA and SGC cards. It'll be a good tool to keep track of which cards I need.

Basilone · May 7, 2004 1:34AM

Chew-

Did you get to see my post regarding the GAI 8 Lockman. I was surprised you didnt comment.

Basilone

sixdart · May 7, 2004 1:43AM

I like the idea as well. However, if successful it will raise the issue of half grades again.

AlanAllen · May 7, 2004 2:30AM

Guys, we all have access to the PSA cert number database here. All GAI needs to do is write a script to fill in that form and read the results.

Joe

joker73 · May 7, 2004 2:36AM

I think the point of cross-company cert. verification isn't just based on people being jerks, etc. The problem is that thieves could use the registry to perpetuate fraud:

1) Register a sweet set on GAI, containing a few GAI-graded cards the perpetrator actually owns (since they can at least verify those easily), and then fill in the rest of the set with a slew of high-end PSA and/or SGC cards based on cert #s from scans, old auction catalogs, etc.

2) List said complete set on eBay, advertising it as the "#1 all time finest set on the GAI registry."

3) Potential bidders go to the GAI Registry to check out the set being sold, and indeed see the set listed, so they think the auction is legit. This is the problem, because now the fraudulent auction has the aura of legitimacy, and GAI doesn't seem to have a way to prove that the registrant doesn't actually own the non-GAI cards.

It's a recipe for disaster without some sort of cross-database verification system in place, period. I agree the concept is very appealing, but the downside outweighs all those benefits to the hobby if implemented poorly ...

Robert

joker73 · May 7, 2004 2:40AM

Joe,

I'm not sure cert. verification alone is enough - all it tells you is "yep, the card is what the registrant says it is" - it doesn't tell you who (if anyone) already has the card registered - i.e., who has the card in their possession. GAI needs to be able to verify the card and grade *and* somehow confirm that another collector doesn't have the card registered elsewhere (see my previous post for why I think this might be important) ...

Robert

jackstraw · May 7, 2004 2:45AM

cert verfication is impossible with sgc.sgc uses the invoice number - the line number and thats your cert #.
i think i am with murcerfan on this one.

koby · May 7, 2004 3:07AM

How horribly embarrassing it would be for GAI if the GAI registry is dominated by cards graded by PSA or SGC.

NickM · May 7, 2004 3:30AM

murcerfan wrote

...buffing out Davallilo on Friday.

This sounds painful.

GAI can verify PSA certification numbers. They can't verify your possession of that particular card. It has been a lot less of a problem on the PSA registry because most of the cards on which people might want to input a cert. # they don't have are being also input by the real owner, who can send pictures. Most real owners, however, will not bother to register their PSA cards on the GAI registry, meaning that someone wanting to run a scam, to just get a certificate (no matter how unearned), or to be a prankster could likely accumulate an impressive-looking fake registry set on GAI.

Nick

bighurt2000 · May 7, 2004 3:58AM

I think that the only reason that GAI is doing this kind of registry is to get more people to
go over to there website so all PSA has to do is make there own multiple grading company
registry and people are right back to PSA. Give the people what they need on one site PSA.

1952 Topps Basic Set
1952 Topps Master Set
1952 Topps Multiple Grading Company Basic Set
1952 Topps Multiple Grading Company Master Set

It would also help PSA if they would start grading pack tired of hearing about GAI graded packs.

James

jackstraw · May 7, 2004 4:03AM

i doubt psa would ever entertain that thought? psa has more than enough cards out there to fill more than enough psa only sets!
i for one wouldn't mind a non grading company's website that this was allowed, with a message board that gets this much traffic?

bighurt2000 · May 7, 2004 4:39AM

jackstraw

I think PSA is always looking for more way to get pontential customers to come to
there website. Be it grading auto's, tickets bats etc.. they are always looking to reach
out to new customers, if they don't there not doing there jobs. I personal think PSA
has our is looking into a multiple grading company registry maybe not?

James

jackstraw · May 7, 2004 4:55AM

I disagree psa will not even entertain the thought of doing this. they hate gai, sgc has no cert look up. why would a company that has graded millions of cards waste their time with it? free advertising for gai and sgc?

bedardsavard18 · May 7, 2004 5:56AM

I am sure that PSA does not mind losing revenue to this idea. Realize this that PSA makes alot of money for doing crossovers why would they agree with GAI to establish an equal value so to speak the two companies? There is much money to lose. PSA has it's parent company Collectors Universe to answer to this makes no sense from a business stand point. It is kind of like saying whatever goes wrong at McDonald's , Wendy's will reimburse your lose. Great idea I love it but I think I dream too much anyway!

scottsusor · May 7, 2004 8:29AM

I think the answer to why GAI is doing this is pretty obvious. They are taking the first step in attempting to generate interest in having collectors start putting together "all GAI" registered sets. Way too late in the game, in my opinion, but a good move on their part. GAI has obviously recognized the trend toward complete graded sets, and they are hoping that by creating a "global" set registry, eventually collectors will try and put together "all GAI" sets. They are also seeing the renewed influx of long time "little guy" collectors who are coming into the graded card market for the first time. With this influx, they are hoping that more vintage commons will get sent to GAI to support the GAI set building effort. In about 10 years, they should be just about where PSA is right now.

Scott

ToneD · May 7, 2004 8:55AM

Hey guys, newbie here with a suggestion. What if PSA created another field where we could register other slabs but the grades would not count towards your overall scores. That way it would be for sharing purposes only. Somebody may already have a HOF'er registered but also have another card in GAI/SGC holder. I have a couple of GAI slabs that I would like to "share" but cannot do so at this time. Anyways, just a thought.

Dean

grilloj39 · May 7, 2004 9:06AM

ToneD...that's an excellent idea IMO. However, keep in mind the PSA registry is a huge success (I have 3 sets listed myself) so although a good idea, I don't see PSA being in any type of rush to mirror what its competitors are doing at this point.

wolfbear · May 10, 2004 9:26AM

Bah-da bah-da-da-da
Bah-da bah-da-da-da
Bah-da bah-da-da-da

Monday, Monday, can't trust that day
Monday, Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way

1420sports · May 10, 2004 9:32AM

Setting expectation is something that needs to be worked on.

GAI registry up and running on Monday

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