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A perfect example of why it's impossible to accurately grade proof coins from an image.

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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Just got this one in today.

It's the coin I posted about in this thread.

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Image on the left was shot as I normally shoot proof coins, while the image on the right was shot at a severe angle under very harsh light.

Russ, NCNE
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    CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭


    << <i>Of course, it could arrive and end up being a hairlined to hell dog. >>



    I guess you were right.image

    CG
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    ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    CG,

    Yeah, I guessed I jinxed myself. image

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    NumismanicNumismanic Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Ouch! I'm sorry it didn't end up like the initial pic. image

    Don
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    ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529 ✭
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    dlimb2dlimb2 Posts: 3,449
    Prime example why I stopped buying on ebay...it takes just one time for someone to try and burn you badly and ebay and paypal do nothing about it...its when you have to take other measures to acquire justice makes it not worth while....I would rather buy coins I can hold in my hands...
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    MonstavetMonstavet Posts: 1,235 ✭✭
    Still, you only paid $10 for it...could be worse. Just don't look at it sideways.
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    barberloverbarberlover Posts: 2,228 ✭✭
    Russ,

    Another one for my coin toilet seat !!!

    Seriously, do you think the seller took the angle deliberatly to decieve, I know the question may sound obvious, but not everyone knows what their doing with a camera or scanner.

    Les
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    nOoBiEeEnOoBiEeE Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    Shame shame shame....
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Les,

    This seller knows exactly what he's doing with a camera. He sells quite a few SMS coins, shooting the coins at multiple angles using a balloon pattern to show depth of mirrors and cameo contrast. He's very experienced at this. Even if he started yesterday, the hairlining on this one is so obvious the most rank rookie can see it.

    Russ, NCNE
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭
    Sorry Russ. Oh well, that's what the junk box and lot selling is for.

    eBay's still worth the time to look.
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    joecooljoecool Posts: 527
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>eBay's still worth the time to look >>



    I completely agree. Weighed against the scores I've nailed, this certainly isn't anything to worry about. Besides, it's an excellent educational coin.

    Russ, NCNE
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    lavalava Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭
    Education noted. Thanks for paying my tuition. image
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    dollardudedollardude Posts: 1,263
    Russ,

    We all pay some stupid tax in life. Fortunately, this was a trivial amount.

    I'd leave negative feedback to the seller. I agree, he knew exactly what he was doing.

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    wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406
    Are those hairlines from being wiped with something,or from mint?
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    bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate it the coin ended up like that, but do agree ebay is still worth while for cherry picking once in a while. I have been burned on a few, ended up cleaned after getting coin in hand. (very obvious cleaning)


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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are those hairlines from being wiped with something,or from mint? >>



    They're from being wiped. I've never seen a 1969 with hairlining this severe that was mint produced.

    Russ, NCNE
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Accented hairlines maybe?


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    krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Accented hairlines maybe? >>


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    Looking at that coin, I think you'd really have to work at it to get it that hairlined. Whoa!

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Holy cow! I don't collect proof coinage, but if I did, I wouldn't buy from an image. Scary!
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    drizzam99drizzam99 Posts: 32
    Hope my '64 Accented Hair Kennedy doesn't come to me looking like that...I just picked it up off Ebay to make sure I got one before Russ had ALL of them to himself! image

    Should get it tomorrow...if it looks 69DCAM like the seller says it does I'm gonna send it in to be slabbed!
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>if it looks 69DCAM like the seller says it does I'm gonna send it in to be slabbed! >>



    A PR69DCAM Accented Hair is the Holy Grail for the proof Kennedy collector. To date, it's never been done. It is, however, on my "to do" list. image

    Russ, NCNE
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Geez, what kind of moron would use a brillo pad to wipe down a proof kennedy? image Sorry that you ran into an ebay scammer... image
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a pretty basic point about what scans cannot show: hairlines, marks, full depth of luster, etc. Anyone doing so knows they are taking a risk. It just depends on what you're risk level is and if you are comfortable with it. Modern modern proofs are usually sought after in ultra-high grades so this particular issue is very much in play with them.

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    pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    looks like centsles trickery
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