Eli tells tha Chargers " NO WAY" !!!

cardnyou · April 21, 2004 1:54PM

Chris Mortenson reports that my main man Eli told the Chargers he does NOT want to be drafted by them...he wants to be a Giant.....thank the good Lord above !.

olajuwon · April 21, 2004 2:01PM

Wow, looks like their next best bet would be Fitz.

cloudorganic · April 21, 2004 2:04PM

I heard it was Archie who said that...I can't believe Eli is so spoiled.

cardnyou · April 21, 2004 2:04PM

no matter who they draft..they will for sure ruin them lol

joestalin · April 21, 2004 2:05PM

man Ive never seen so much hot air in a draft, a bunch of guys who think they are great, or playing
at small schools thinking they can rule the NFL. It won't matter who King Eli is playing for when some
350 pounder snaps him in half! I would say Eli is more Archie than Peyton!

JS

cardnyou · April 21, 2004 2:07PM

Joe.....is it me or the rest of the nation that knows the SEC is one of the toughest conferences to play in ?...... i thought you watched college ball , guess i was wrong again.

IrishOne · April 21, 2004 4:03PM

screw manning

cardnyou · April 21, 2004 4:11PM

is this where i'm s'posed to say screw you to ?...well i wont man, it would just be un-civilized.

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 2:24AM

The SEC maybe tuff to play in, but the school must not of tought him how to talk.. He has to let his father talk for him.. I hope he's a bust, most players are humble and grateful to be drafted, but not ELI, he's trying to pick his team! Showing major signs of a selfish player..

Chad

Taylor28jag · April 22, 2004 2:48AM

Yeah I remember another guy that picked his team turned out to be a pretty good QB I think his name was Elway..... give the kid a shot I would rather see him in NY then in SD myself.

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 2:57AM

I totally agree Elway is the #1 draft-day cry baby of all time.. What I don't remember is John's daddy calling the Colts. Elway did his own dirty work..

Aknot · April 22, 2004 3:02AM

What "right" do they (the players) have to do this? I feel that they should be "honored" to even be selected to play in the NFL. The first 2 years of a rookies life should be sit down, shut up and get drafted. You should get paid a "min" amount but with some type of "career threating injury clause". Then only AFTER proving that you are a well rounded player and "respectable" person be allowed to "get the money" be it with your current team (first option) or another team via trade compensating the loosing team.

You get drafted by the team that drafts you and you either play or sit, it is all up to you to prove yourself.

dirtmonkey · April 22, 2004 4:31AM

How are the bad teams supposed to get better when the good players wont play for them. I remember this happening a few times to the Clippers with McDyess and 1 other player. Fact is, it's BS. I'd waste my pick and draft the turd and bench him for the time he's with the team. To me, that should (but wont) deter other teams from drafting him with that kind of attitude. Maybe he should sit around for a year like Clarett and then decide who he wants to play for...

Bobstar · April 22, 2004 5:15AM

This is no big deal; why is everyone getting so upset about this? By the way, Elways' daddy, Jack, was right by Johns' side & they BOTH said he wouldn't play in Baltimore.
Many many parents, agents, lawyers over the years in ALL pro sports have done the same thing; they are just looking out for the best interests of thier son/daughter/player! If you were the parent of the caliber player Eli is, don't tell me you wouldn't be doing the very same thing. I know I would be doing the very same thing to make sure my kid had the best chance to succeed.
Whatever thier reasoning is, at least they are being honest in letting thier feelings be known so the teams can act accordingly; no one is going to lose anything by thier actions; if anything the Chargers will BENEFIT by this decision by getting more for trading down.
No one even knows if the Chargers were going to pick Eli anyway; reports have said that Marty was more impressed by Rivers at the senior bowl & workouts because he reminded him of Bernie Kosar who he coached years ago in Cleveland.
Give the Mannings a break; they are only looking out for the best interests of Eli & his best chance to prove himself where he feels most comfortable.
It sure worked out OK for the Elways when they did it!
Remember:HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY!

Aknot · April 22, 2004 5:23AM

Bobstar,

The "only" problem I have with that is that it takes away form the org that the player refuses to play with. That is akin to saying I do not want to play for you you suck.

Like I said college players are given to much "pull" especially being unproven in the NFL, or any other sport for that matter.

You PROVE yourself first then you make demands. I mean people do not hire you off the street and give you big money because you did "great" in college or high school. Most companies take you on board with promises if you perform.

With the first pick of the Draft the San Diego Chargers pick Eli Manning and if he doesnt play we dont pay and he can sit the bench for two years until we decide we do not want him anymore.

Thats the way it should be. The Chargers have that right for a reason. Why have a draft then why not jsut ask what team they want to play for and let the College players "draft" the teams.

AdamLee · April 22, 2004 5:28AM

According to ESPN's web site it was not suppose to be a public statement that Archie did not want Eli to play for San Diego. One of them things where someone caught wind of it and blew it out of proportion.

He admits now that hes being asked about it that he does not feel San Diego is the best fit for his son. Nothing wrong with that, he is allowed his own opinion, and he met with San Diegoes owner apparently and they talked about that before and after the report was made. He never said anything about New York as alot of the early reports have been saying either.

Check out the write up on ESPN to get the story. Youll see it is not nearly as bad as it has been blown up to be.

Bobstar · April 22, 2004 5:30AM

Aknot- That may be the way you would like it to be but it doesn't work that way in ANY pro sport.
When it comes to pro sports, you pay for the right to draft that highly regarded pick & take your chances.
Again, San Diego will GAIN by trading down as they will get more in return for giving up the 1st pick.
You can't compare the real world to the world of pro sports; it's apples & oranges.

cloudorganic · April 22, 2004 5:38AM

Bobstar, your sig is awesome.

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 5:58AM

If it's right or wrong, If it's good or bad, wouldn't it be awesome to have two boys as talanted as Payton and Eli. I could only dream of such a thing(I have two girls). In todays world we should be applauding his father for taking a interest in his sons future. I guess I hope he isn't a bust, Archie must be real proud!!

Chad

duncangal · April 22, 2004 5:59AM

LOL, anyone that knows Archie knows better than to say he pushed them into anything. It is a family tradition, and I admire the fact that they want to succeed. It's a quality that is few and far between these days. They may be criticized for being prima donnas, but I think it's just a strong will to be the best, and they work hard at it. I saw a show about the family awhile back, and they have one of the hardest work ethics I have ever seen. If Archie taught them that, then more power to him ! They respect him a lot, and there is a lot of love and pride in that family. Nice to see in this day and age.

Aknot · April 22, 2004 6:06AM

Chad some consider it sticking his nose into his GROWN sons business. Giving advice and or talking to your son "on the side" is one thing. What Archie did was questionable.

And I do not want to get into the "sons" like his comment. What if Eli and or Peyton did not want this? Anyho I will be quiet........

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 6:09AM

Some could say his father cares.. My father and I are tight and I TOTALLY respect his opinion..

goodriddance189 · April 22, 2004 6:12AM

great, remember Venus and Serenas father, and how much of a headcase he was?

im sure Eli is old enough to speak for himself (although judging by the Manning family, Eli might not be able to read yet)

Aknot · April 22, 2004 6:15AM

<< Some could say his father cares.. My father and I are tight and I TOTALLY respect his opinion.. >>

Thats all well and good and I never said his "heart" was in the wrong place. Its (like almost 90% of everything) is how you present it. To me that should have been something between Eli and his father. Just becasue you do not "see" it does not mean the support and backing is not there by a family member.

I would feel pretty "embarassed" if my father came public with something (no matter how it got to the public) like that. Its ultimatly Elis decision in the long run. The father should support his son no matter what his decision, and be there if he falls (and possibly let him fall). Not hold his hand and make the decisions for him.

goodriddance189 · April 22, 2004 6:18AM

<< I would feel pretty "embarassed" if my father came public with something (no matter how it got to the public) like that. Its ultimatly Elis decision in the long run. The father should support his son no matter what his decision, and be there if he falls (and possibly let him fall). Not hold his hand and make the decisions for him. >>

i agree about the embarrasment part. it's ok for your dad to call out your middle school or high school coach, but jesus Eli is out of college

how many 22 year olds take daddy to a job interview?

Aknot · April 22, 2004 6:20AM

<< 

<< I would feel pretty "embarassed" if my father came public with something (no matter how it got to the public) like that. Its ultimatly Elis decision in the long run. The father should support his son no matter what his decision, and be there if he falls (and possibly let him fall). Not hold his hand and make the decisions for him. >>

i agree about the embarrasment part. it's ok for your dad to call out your middle school or high school coach, but jesus Eli is out of college

how many 22 year olds take daddy to a job interview? >>

Christ that brings back memories. My mother used to yell out my name telling me to move over in left field...... Thanks for the flashback..

goodriddance189 · April 22, 2004 6:21AM

haha

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 6:22AM

With the payday he's looking at, my father could take me anyplace...

dirtmonkey · April 22, 2004 8:02AM

Fact is, every team deserves to draft the player they want to best help their team. Further, every player has to understand that they are getting a momentous opportunity here. It's one than most people couldn't even dream of. To be honest, I truly love watching sports on the field, but can't stand many of the athletes behavior/attitude off the field. What ever happened to players being just happy to get there? Now it's "I want this... and this too".

Boy, give my decrepit old bones a chance to go runnin' out on the field and play for some team. I don't give a crap what team it's is and I don't care if I only get to play special teams. I'd be out there every time I got a shot trying to not only help my team, but loving the fact that I got to do that for a living...

kr580 · April 22, 2004 9:01AM

I'm watchin ESPN and from what i collected it wasn't Eli telling Archie to say that... It was more of a 'Daddy knows best.' type thing... so it wasn't neccessarily Eli saying it...

AdamLee · April 22, 2004 9:56AM

Aknot ~ that was frigging funny man, been a long time since I busted out loud laughing reading anything on a message board!

Shame more parents dont get involved like that with their children.

Great memory to have

seth2720 · April 22, 2004 12:36PM

Although I would rather see Eli a Giant than a Charger, thats pretty rude to tell the team like San Diego "No Way". Some athletes these days....

Seth

IrishOne · April 22, 2004 12:38PM

im sticking with, "screw manning."

AUcollector · April 22, 2004 1:06PM

so you shouldnt have a choice as to where you work ?h ow about, if after you graduated college you were put into a pool of all grad's & you had to work for whatever company picks you ?

KOBEcollector · April 22, 2004 1:13PM

Give me what his signing bonus will be and give me what his average salary will be and you can stick me with any company you'd like

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 2:23PM

ESPN is reporting that Eli is willing to sit out 2004 if picked by San Diego.. It's confirmed, he's a spoiled brat!! Ungrateful baby!, did he go to school in Miami? I ditto the comment' "screw manning"

Bobstar · April 22, 2004 4:39PM

Wah wah wah wah wah; you all sound like a bunch of cry babies. Guess what gang! This is the NFL!This is a business!
Again, if you are a parent with a child that has this kind of talent, don't tell me you would sit by & let this child go to a team who for the past many years has shown NO desire to win or even put forth the same or more effort to do so as your child has.
I sure wouldn't want my child going someplace like that whether it was San Diego or Arizona etc.......
All the Mannings are doing is being HONEST so all parties involved can reap the best from this situation. If San Diego still drafts Eli after he has said he doesn't want to be there & that he would sit out; it just proves my point.
They would rather be vindictave & try to hurt Eli rather than draft a player who could actually help them be better.
I applaud the Mannings for thier honesty & thier caring to insure Eli ends up with a team that has shown they are at least trying to be the best they can be.
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cardnyou · April 22, 2004 4:48PM

<< ESPN is reporting that Eli is willing to sit out 2004 if picked by San Diego.. It's confirmed, he's a spoiled brat!! Ungrateful baby!, did he go to school in Miami? I ditto the comment' "screw manning" >>

this comes from someone that like Denver...lol..go figure...the team that had the QB that started it all..yet i doubt if he ever say's SCREW ELWAY !

I agree with bobstar...all these "kids" yelling spoiled...brat....screw Eli....well lemme tell you one thing...i'm a parent, and if i had the chance to help my son stay away from a team that has had only FOUR winning seasons in the last 20 freaking years...reast assured i would do everything in my power to help my son.You can sit and yell this all you want to...but if your a parent and you dont see that Archie is trying to help his son,then i would like to know what your thinking.No way would i let my son go to that kind of a loosing team without me having tried to help him as much as i could.

kr580 · April 22, 2004 4:49PM

<< so you shouldnt have a choice as to where you work ?h ow about, if after you graduated college you were put into a pool of all grad's & you had to work for whatever company picks you ? >>

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 11:35PM

SCREW ELWAY!!! I've already said hes the biggest cry baby EVER!!! The NFL has rules, you know a system called the draft, I guess the Elways, Mannings, Bobstars, cardnyous have there own set of RULES... whatever, he's still a ungrateful brat!!!

Aknot · April 22, 2004 11:38PM

bobster,

How many people have come out of college "with this kind of talent" and flopped? How many Heisman winners and runner ups produce medicore results?

Again the draft is there for a reason. To try and level the playing field between teams. To make the NFL a "competitve" arena. Not so "Johnny" can hold his breath and play for the team he wants to.

You say "a team who for the past many years has shown NO desire to win or even put forth the same or more effort to do so as your child has" you can back this up how? I do not know any team in the NFL or major sport that has purposely shown no desire to win.

And then on that same note why would you want your child to go to a team where he can maybe pull them up and bring them to the next level?

"If San Diego still drafts Eli after he has said he doesn't want to be there & that he would sit out; it just proves my point."
ehhh? We are not talking about San Diego. This would prove your point above about the "No desire to win comment". No they would play him and if he did not show his "great talent" he would/should be treated just like any other Average player. If he did play and proved to be "great" SD would win (possibly) doing a few things, showing his potential to other teams so AFTER his contract with SD is over Eli should win and SD whould win in a trade. Prove if he is "that" good in the NFL. Prove if he is a "man" and does the right thing.

We are all put in to situations we just dont like but we need/must deal with. Just because you are a "name" doesnt mean you should be able to do what you want.

It is San Diegos RIGHT to draft Eli. It is San Diegos RIGHT to give him a chance, bench him, trade him. Like someone said this is the NFL and it is a business. San Diego is going to do what is right for them. They want to improve their team and by the "draft" if they think Eli is their answer it is their RIGHT by NFL RULES to make him a Charger.

What Eli does after that is when we find out what type of "man" Eli is. DO you take the ball and run trying the best you can proving to other suitors that you can play in the NFL which raises your stock, or do you sit on your arse sucking your thumb pouting and not playing.

"They would rather be vindictave & try to hurt Eli rather than draft a player who could actually help them be better. "
So a QB that is supposedly so great wont elevate SDs game? Wont help the team? So then he is not that great?

I hope SD puts a message across that the players are getting to be a little to big for their britches. Again draft picks should have a "base" salary based on position, a few incentive clauses, and an injury clause for a few ears before they are allowed to say anything. They get picked by the team that has been given the right to pick them by the NFL "rules". That team can do with them as they please for those first "few" years. It is in the best interest of the player and team to "groom" that player for either possible trade and or to elevate the team. The players incentive is what it has almost always been, money, fame, glory. None of this should come BEFORE you have not at least played 10 games in REAL NFL games.

Again why have the draft if players can "pick and choose" where they want to go? Just have all the players knock on the doors of the teams they want to play for. Lets see how long the NFL stays in business.

**EDITED** for some spelling errors probably cant find them all...

cspeier1 · April 22, 2004 11:50PM

Aknot for President!!! well said...

cloudorganic · April 23, 2004 12:49AM

If San Diego spends the number one pick on a guy who won't play for them, regardless of whether they have the moral high road or not, they will have the RIGHT to go 2-14, and the team will have the RIGHT to get moved to L.A.

Aknot · April 23, 2004 1:04AM

<< If San Diego spends the number one pick on a guy who won't play for them, regardless of whether they have the moral high road or not, they will have the RIGHT to go 2-14, and the team will have the RIGHT to get moved to L.A. >>

Yup. That is "their" chioce. The key word is THEIR (being SD), not ELI, Not Archie. And that would send a message to the other teams that Eli IS a spoiled little brat. You take the opportunity that is given and you prove yourself. Or SD trades hims. I dont card if SD make him the place kicker, the point I am making is it is SD choice. Trade, Play, Bench, etc. He is SD's "plaything".

cloudorganic · April 23, 2004 1:06AM

Yes, San Diego can choose to draft him to prove a point, but that'd be a bad move.

Aknot · April 23, 2004 1:20AM

<< Yes, San Diego can choose to draft him to prove a point, but that'd be a bad move. >>

I agree BUT the whole reason Im stating all this is because of "Archie/Eli's" comments that were made public. If all this happened between SD and Eli (with ADVICE) from Archie, and was regulated behind closed doors in a PROFESSIONAL environment I wouldnt care. Eli would expressed to the SD his side and SD would have explained their position. But that is not the way it happened. So now it makes SD look like the "bad guy" and Eli look like a "crybaby". And we can only blame a caring father.......that should have known better.

cspeier1 · April 23, 2004 3:03AM

Hey Aknot... What do you think about my new signature? I've been looking for a cool idea and this post go my wheels turning. I'm one of the biggest Elway fans you'll find-But I find A LOT of humor in this....

goodriddance189 · April 23, 2004 3:03AM

aknot and cspeier, good job

cardnyou, you sound like the biggest pompous jackass on here. no wonder you like crybaby Eli

goodriddance189 · April 23, 2004 6:17AM

from Bill Simmons of espn's Page 2-

By the way, could somebody break the news to Eli that there isn't a better place to live in America than San Diego? Does he know this? Who cares about wins and losses? San Diego has seals! And hot chicks! And 80-degree weather! Somebody remind Eli of this stuff when he's shoveling snow in front of his condo in Hoboken next November.

cardnyou · April 23, 2004 6:29AM

<< cardnyou, you sound like the biggest pompous jackass on here >>

and that might be so ...... but you doont see me on here calling someone i know nothing about BS names like that do ya ?

cloudorganic · April 23, 2004 7:16AM

Goodriddance, I guess you haven't said "good riddance" to your virginity yet....you sound a little frustrated.

Eli tells tha Chargers &quot; NO WAY&quot; !!!

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Eli tells tha Chargers " NO WAY" !!!