Coin turning in holder?

DCAMFranklin · February 19, 2004 2:27PM

I'm not a big copper fellow, as the problems/frauds are so hard to detect. Is this coin beginning to "turn" in the holder. This is NOT a knock on the Ebay seller. I just want an assessment of the coin.

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Thanks for the comments.

foodude · February 19, 2004 2:30PM

Hmmm ... I've always found MS and PR Red copper scary in general. It can turn even if you look at it funny.

haletj · February 19, 2004 2:51PM

What if a red coin turns obviously red/brown in the holder. Will it be covered under the pcgs grade (ie color) guarantee?? Is there anyway for pcgs to tell if the coin turned in the holder or that they graded it wrong?

Conder101 · February 19, 2004 10:08PM

Yes I would say it is turning in the holder. I don't know if NGC guarantees color or not. I know it used to be they didn't but I don't know if they changed that or not and I don't know if did whether or not that guarantee would extend to their earlier holders.

Shamika · February 19, 2004 11:38PM

I had heard that NGC will guarantee copper on the newer slabs that have Numismatic Guaranty Corporation written across the front of the slab (the newer slabs) and that the guarantee is good for 10 years from the date the coin was slabbed.

However, from NGC's website I found this Q and A:

Q: Are all coins certified & encapsulated by NGC covered by the NGC guarantee?

A: No. Copper/Bronze coins are particularly susceptible to the effects of oxidation and are therefore guaranteed to be genuine only. Additionally, any NGC certified coin deemed by us to be representative of a clerical error is not covered by the NGC guarantee. Clerical errors may be returned to NGC for correction of labeling at no charge to the submitter.

snapmohr · February 19, 2004 11:56PM

I admit I am new at this but the blonde in me has to ask anyway...SO why not have your copper/bronze coins, that are superoir specimens re-slabbed every nine years, would that prevent the "turning" or is it destined to come out of the closet anyway?
Snapmohr

nwcs · February 20, 2004 12:00AM

Shamika, you are right. NGC guarantees copper for 10 years from date when it is in that newer slab type. Older holders do not apply. RD copper can be tricky. I have only one old RD copper, a 1909 VDB in 65RD. It's in an older PCGS holder and still looks great.

JxnBoy · February 20, 2004 12:14AM

<< <i>I admit I am new at this but the blonde in me has to ask anyway...SO why not have your copper/bronze coins, that are superoir specimens re-slabbed every nine years, would that prevent the "turning" or is it destined to come out of the closet anyway? >>

That's actually an interesting idea. If they do in fact guarantee that for up to 10 years, which according to Shamika's reply is questionable anyway, it would perhaps make sense to reslab.

However, I think the coin would 'turn' anyway, and it's not due to the fact that it's 'starting to tone.' I would bet that the coin was dipped, dipped improperly, or otherwise altered prior to placement in the holder.

It's not one of the newer NGC slabs, so it's been in the holder at least 6 months.

nwcs · February 20, 2004 12:31AM

Actually, NGC has suggested the reslab every 9-10 years to keep the guarantee.

snapmohr · February 20, 2004 1:08AM

So master, are you trying to say that the wisdom of blondes is infinately superior.... or that is a blessing only reserved for cats

LOL
snapmohr

KAJ1 · February 20, 2004 1:11AM

That is a 67 ?????

Newmismatist · February 20, 2004 1:17AM

<< <i>That is a 67 ????? >>

Well, it might have been at one time - before it was dipped and not rinsed properly

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