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Very cool IHC - What's the grade??

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
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"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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    JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭
    I know nothing of grading IHCs or Copper... but I wanna guess MS67RD
    -George
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,706 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS67

    Didn't they not have RD until 1865?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Didn't they not have RD until 1865? >>



    Jeremy,

    They had bronze (and thus color designations) in 1864. There are two types for that year.

    Russ, NCNE
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    boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting coin.image
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    PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭
    It's a great coin and it grades .... Ooops, I'm not eligible. image
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    jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Better than mine so that I would say MS66 (this is a copper nickel coin so that no Red designation ;-)
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
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    LovethoseIndiansLovethoseIndians Posts: 222
    Hmmmnnnn Could be a PR66
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    CaptainRonCaptainRon Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    Nice coin, Awsome luster.

    However from looking at the pic on my system looks like a bit of rub on the diamonds (If so au58)

    If no rub still looks like there is spots right in front of the nose and mouth so I would say MS64Rd


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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmnnnn Could be a PR66 >>



    Proof?? With all that cartwheel effect? No, it is clearly mint state and clearly RED. I will go with MS-66Red as MS-67 it just a tad too high.

    Tom
    Tom

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    originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    I give this gem a grade of "expensive."
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    originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    Captain Ron: put down the Captain and Coke!image

    - also, immediately sell me all your AU-58 Indians.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    MS67RD
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    Wolfy00002Wolfy00002 Posts: 471
    ms66
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, this was a tough one. The top left picture is a CN cent, bottom left red, bottom right Al. The top right pic is more golden in color than the others and is a mixture of Cu and Al. It grades MS67. Several excellant observations made, esp. re: the diamonds. I think the bottom diamond is a bit weakly struck.

    Thanks to all who guessed. imageimage

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    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    dan1ecudan1ecu Posts: 1,573
    I'll stick my neck out and say MS68 RD.

    Dan
    Dan McInnes

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forgot to mention, it's a J353, 92% Cu, 7.6% Aluminum, the remainder .4% who knows what!

    PCGS MS67 w/o color designation.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    Is the design different, or just the composition?
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Only the composition is different. In 1864 they tried quite a few compositions - 3 different percentages of Cu/Al, Al alone, thin and thick planchet CN, bronze, etc. It would be interesting to put together a set of the various cent patterns of 1864 - quite a challenge!image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    super coins and a nice ms 67 too

    michael
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm - wouldn't it be worth a lot as a regular 1864 MS67 RD? Wonder if you could sneak that by 'em...... image
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TDN:

    Don't think that didn't cross my mind! In person, it would never pass for a red coin but it might as a CN coin. But then again, it's worth more as a pattern than a MS67 CN cent.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    CaptainRonCaptainRon Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    Well I was a mile off. Guess those are not spots in front of the nose and mouth after allimage

    Does this 64 Pattern have the "L" on it, since I can't even make out all the diamonds there is now way I can see if it is there or not.

    Of the 64 patterns how many come with or without the "L", are the diags to check the the 64 bronzes by either rounded or pointed bust, follow suit with the patterns as well.

    Thanks a bunch.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Captain:

    Will check the books tonight when I get home for a more complete reply. There are quite a few 1864 patterns given the mix of L, no L, Bronze, Copper nickel, thick/thin planchets and MS/Proof formats.

    There are 12 Judd combinations in the pop. reports for 1864. With certification, it's hard to collect them all as some are misattributed and with others, you can't tell the planchet thickness. The only way would be to break them out, measure/weigh and send for SEM-EDX analysis. You would truly have to be a hard core collector to do so.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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    boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    break em out and test em hmmm...... sounds like someone we both know!image Thats a great looking coin you've got there! Thanks for sharing the image.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You would truly have to be a hard core collector to do so.

    Or dealer??imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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