If You Had a Chance

dlimb2 · January 13, 2004 1:50PM

To buy a MS 68 rare coin great luster and strike...and then an exact coin MS 68...great luster and strike, except this one was a doubled die....Which one would you buy?

Cladiator · January 13, 2004 1:58PM

Which ever one you can get a better deal on...percentage wise.

ARCO · January 13, 2004 1:59PM

The scarcer coin, the coin with doubling.

Tyler

dlimb2 · January 13, 2004 1:59PM

Same price, both are raw.

Wolfy00002 · January 13, 2004 2:00PM

DD

Cladiator · January 13, 2004 2:05PM

Same Price!

DD for sure

dlimb2 · January 13, 2004 3:56PM

Ok, I did it...It is another 1998 Matte Kennedy Half...Picture is not all that good but I think you can see where the doubling is...Let me know what you think....Thanks Guys.

coppercoins · January 13, 2004 4:46PM

Calling a raw coin MS68 is a stretch without a lot of experience grading.

Calling a 1998 Kennedy a doubled die without some sort of authentication to the effect is even more of a stretch.

dlimb2 · January 13, 2004 4:54PM

Well if that is not a doubled die...then there is no such thing as a doubled die.

dlimb2 · January 13, 2004 5:05PM

Cooper, I have also learned over the years that there are people who like to see only what they want to see. I have also learned that there are people who are so selfcentered that they are never willing to listen to what others have to say...they are to tied up with themselves and their know it all ways. Majority of people have more sense then you give them credit for.

Thenewguy · January 13, 2004 5:12PM

The picture is way to small and unclear to see the doubling and with a date of 1998 the coin is more likely a mdd or ddd then a true doubled die.
Jorgy

coppercoins · January 13, 2004 5:41PM

<< <i>Cooper, I have also learned over the years that there are people who like to see only what they want to see. I have also learned that there are people who are so selfcentered that they are never willing to listen to what others have to say...they are to tied up with themselves and their know it all ways. Majority of people have more sense then you give them credit for. >>

If it's the same thing you showed photos to me a few weeks ago for an opinion (which I gave), I told you that seeing the coin would be necessary to determining whether it's a doubled die, but I didn't think it was one from what I could see in your images. If that's why you never bothered to re-contact me regarding the coin, not even to say "thanks for looking," then I guess you are the one who doesn't want to listen to what others have to say.

I also happen to know that you have been in contact with a very close associate of mine who has examined your coin and determined it to be machine doubling, and I typically respect his opinion considering he has 35 years of experience in the field.

It is true that some see only what they want to see, but calling machine doubling a doubled die is only going to hurt you in the long run if that happens to be the case. If you don't want to send the coin to me for examination, I might recommend that you send it to either Billy Crawford or John Wexler, as both of them are also very experienced in the field and will give you the correct answer, albeit at more of a cost to you than the postage.

I have attempted many times to help you understand hub doubling here on the forum with little success in getting much response from you, especially gratitude. It seems to me that you are confused as to what doubled dies are, what causes them, and how to detect them, although you are more than willing to jump out at anyone who doesn't agree with you. I think that falls quite short of "giving credit." If you'll drop the guard and allow someone to help you who knows exactly what to look for in a doubled die, you will get a lot farther than throwing rocks at anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion.

added: By the way, it would be impossible to see any sort of hub doubling from an image the size of the one linked in your third post of this thread. That in itself shows that there may be a chance that you could be unsure of what you are talking about.

dlimb2 · January 13, 2004 6:13PM

Copper, I sent you an Email saying Thank You...now if you want to pretend you didnt get it that is fine with me...On the other note regarding your freind, I know who you are refering to, He did not get all the pictures with which to judge the coin...no he did not give a fair assessment of the coin...True like you say, one really needs the coin to be in hand to give a fair judgement.

No, this is not the same coin, it is another coin...with a greater degree of doubling...I think now I have invested in a few books and I know what MDD is and I also know what a DD is...I can read, write and speak English...I also know that in 1998 the mint was striking Kennedy's THE OLD FASHION WAY, bet you didn't know that did you...They did not begin the squeeze until 1999....So if you want some doubled dies of the Kennedy's they are out there......No I don't Think I have Thrown any rocks at anyone lately...but I can put up some threads where I have Thanked You for every comment you have made...But then that would not make you look good again...If you had Photoshop or a similar program you could copy the picture and see exactly what I am refering to....but I will be posting more pictures of the coin once I receive it...and they will be quite clear...But I would appreciate it if you would not comment on them....for there will not be a Thank You this time.

coppercoins · January 13, 2004 6:26PM

Good enough. I have tried to help you.

As for Photoshop, which version 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 or 7.0? I have all those and am a graphic designer and web developer. Your image is a 184 X 181 JPEG image with heavy compression, file size is 13,642 bytes and it's saved and show at 72 DPI. Normal JPEG filesize for an image that size would be 33K with no compression. It's a very high likelihood that a 1972 doubled die cent wouldn't show the detail necessary to show hub doubling at that pixel size. There is no way with the image provided to make the detail show any sharper than a 184 X 181 image can show, regardless of how big they made the image, unless you've come up with some way to vectorize a rastorized image on the fly. So pray tell, exactly how should one see anything more by copying the image?

I'm not "out to get you" or anything of the sort. I want to help you, but you refuse my help. I have tried to recommend trusted sources for help, but believe that no matter how many people see the coin or images of the coin you will still butt heads with anyone who disagrees with you. I wish you would change your mind.

coppercoins · January 13, 2004 6:27PM

On another note, I do agree with you that the coins you are referring to as doubled are indeed a different design style than other halves of the same date - if that's worth anything at all to you.

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