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This has to be the ugliest PCGS 62 Buffalo

Can this buffalo be MS 62 ? I know the 26D is known for a weak strike and worn dies, but this is pretty bad.

Worn Dies ?

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  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744
    Oh man! that thing doesn't even look VF to me.

    There you have it - if that thing is MS, it's another sure sign I would fail miserably in the PCGS grading challenge.
    Tom

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes... there are some terrible ones... ones that look VF or less, in mint state holders... the problem with that one is the gigantic spot image
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would pass on that Buffalo
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • Wow...That's really horrid!

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're right, it's ugly.
  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭
    Assuming it is MS I would grade it:

    MS-15 image

    There is no other way to describe this coin.

    Joe.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm surprised to see it in a PCGS holder. This is the kind of coin that hurts the reputation of the service that slabs them.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    looks like a crappy digi-pic though. but as pic'd it's a $150 MAX coin for me.

    K S
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  • Looks good to me!! It was struck with worn dies. But it is mint state. All 26's look bad like this.
  • LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    No way. I compared it to my NGC MS62 3-legged. Not even close. No luster and a big blob of something on the indian'
    s neck. That is pure fantasy.
    DSW
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,391 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No way. I compared it to my NGC MS62 3-legged. Not even close. No luster and a big blob of something on the indian'
    s neck. That is pure fantasy. >>

    Sorry, but that's wrong. The 1926-S was made from basically the worst known dies in the buffalo series- they were incredibly worn down, and the coins are not "flashy" like your everyday MS.

    I would trust PCGS, NGC, or ANACS to get this right on the MS scale... this is where learning to grade professionally comes into play--they can see what is wear vs. a simply horrendous strike.

    As with nearly an 1926-S that you see, this is the simply horrendous strike.

    Jeremy
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,703 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>No way. I compared it to my NGC MS62 3-legged. Not even close. No luster and a big blob of something on the indian'
    s neck. That is pure fantasy. >>

    Sorry, but that's wrong. The 1926-S was made from basically the worst known dies in the buffalo series- they were incredibly worn down, and the coins are not "flashy" like your everyday MS.

    I would trust PCGS, NGC, or ANACS to get this right on the MS scale... this is where learning to grade professionally comes into play--they can see what is wear vs. a simply horrendous strike.

    As with nearly an 1926-S that you see, this is the simply horrendous strike.

    Jeremy >>



    This again raises the issue of whether strike should be a factor when grading. To me, strike has always been very important. An issue like this, which is poorly struck from worn dies, should have a disclaimer on the slab label. This is one of PCGS's weaknesses that they have failed to address.
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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    i agree w/ 291fifth. strike MUST be taken into account as part of a grade. a 1926-s buffalo fresh off the press, but struck w/ half the detail missing, is a NET XF, not "ms-62". the fact is, there ARE legitimate ms-62's of this date in existence that look way better than that piece of crap.



    << <i>this is where learning to grade professionally comes into play--they can see what is wear vs. a simply horrendous strike. >>

    i seriously hope you aren't learning to grade buff's from this example. again, strike quality IS considered as part of the grade, as clearly spelled out in the ANA guidelines. that fact that the "professionals" have ignored this defintely doesn't make them right.

    K S
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would put it into a drink machine to finish it off.


    Clearly the coin is an Unc, but what a piece of worthless horrificly struck crap IMO, Not even worth more than Fine money to me. Who cares wether its technically unc or not, lookin like this. People who collects buffalo's want to have detail that commensurates with the typical grades. Yes the 26-d is one of the worst struck, but thier are lot better strikes availble than this thing.

    like I said above, and good place to use it (5 cent worth)
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,391 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i seriously hope you aren't learning to grade buff's from this example. again, strike quality IS considered as part of the grade, as clearly spelled out in the ANA guidelines. that fact that the "professionals" have ignored this defintely doesn't make them right. >>

    No, I'm not.

    Now, suppose that spot wasn't there when the coin was slabbed, or was very tiny has grown since. The coin is relatively clean, with only a few hits, and with the strike accounted for, it may very well have been netted to MS62. Remember, an MS coin has not seen circulation. Even if the coin appears more worn than another date's circulated example, if the coin shows now wear, then it still deserves the MS designation.

    Jeremy
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  • Another great offering by Fairtraders......
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fairtraderz sell the slab not the coin. I really hate that!

    Tyler
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    It sort of looks like the 26-D I received from Ken Pines' "Coast to Coast" many years ago, when I was just plugging holes in my Dansco album. I always knew the 26-D was a soft strike, but never knew that there were really nice ones out there until I got a PC.
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had read that 26-Ds were weakly struck, but I had never actually looked at them. This is awful image

    What does the finest known 26-D look like? Still ugly I bet. Tho the MS66 in the Heritage ANA this year doesn't seem too bad.
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  • There are some nice ones...

    And some turkeys!



    65 PCGS...DecentLink

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    66 PCGS...Nice!Link

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    63 ANACS...Nice for gradeLink

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    63 ANACS...I'll take the other 63Link

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  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    When that is a well graded coin, I'm very crazy.....

    Dennis

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