Does this 1857-S $20 Gold coin show early signs of the aftermath of curating SS Central America Gold

oreville · November 15, 2003 6:23AM

Does this 1857-S $20 Gold coin show early signs of the aftermath of curating SS Central America Gold?

Take a look at the auction description of this coin and the pictures of this coin. Even the auctioneer admits that there are ".....subdued by a light coppery gold color starting to settle in."

Your comments, please?

Click here for auction description of 1857-S $20 Gold being auctioned

Placid · November 15, 2003 6:23AM

Looks pretty doggy for a 65 in the pictures. I hope those are shadows and not dark areas.

XpipedreamR · November 15, 2003 6:25AM

<< <i> Note the full mint bloom and glowing lustre in the fields, subdued by a light coppery gold color starting to settle in >>

Well, that's a nice way to put it!

relayer · November 15, 2003 6:25AM

It's an early sign of something

Well I see all the early answers got edited - I bet Orville was trying to trick us to make us all look

foodude · November 15, 2003 6:27AM

Hmmm .. I guess the coin just disintegrates into nothing

edited to add: Oh I see a pic has now been added. Reaction:;Q

razorface1027 · November 15, 2003 6:33AM

Annotating what could potentially be a , no pun intended, FLOODING of the market with these, what appear to me to be, OVERGRADED pieces of history?...I took a shot at your query...

Coinosaurus · November 15, 2003 7:32AM

If these coins start having problems in their slabs, I predict that the death of CU will be imminent........the litigation would make the original lawsuits surrounding the SSCA find look like child's play....

foodude · November 15, 2003 7:49AM

If these coins start having problems in their slabs ... Are there more of these beauties from the sea that now look like this?

edited to add: or did this one just not photograph well?

Conder101 · November 15, 2003 7:51AM

Looks like either copper spotting returning or incomplete removal of cleaning...excuse me curating residue.

razorface1027 · November 15, 2003 7:53AM

If these coins start having problems in their slabs, I predict that the death of CU will be imminent........the litigation would make the original lawsuits surrounding the SSCA find look like child's play....

Coin;
If I remember correctly, not too long ago, here at the forum, there was rhetoric about weather or not PCGS slabs were air-tite along with their competitors. I guess this will answer sooooooo many questions...

darktone · November 15, 2003 7:56AM

Just copper spots returning after a dip- no big deal this happens on gold if it's dipped or not sometimes. mike

coinguy1 · November 15, 2003 9:47AM

Despite the language used by the cataloguer (which could be merely a figure of speech), I have not seen any proof, that the coin was not already like that, when slabbed.

I have viewed numerous gold coins in MS65 (and higher) holders, which displayed copper spots or stains.

The sky is not falling just yet, gentlemen.

razorface1027 · November 15, 2003 9:53AM

The sky is not falling just yet, gentlemen

Whew! Thanks coinguy! Now I can stop gazing a the farkin' sky all day & night. My neck was beginning to torture me...

BigE · November 15, 2003 10:13AM

Everything is ok, I heard a Russian neuclear sub wreck was nearby-------------BigE

roadrunner · November 15, 2003 10:20AM

I for one prefer coppery spots on original gold to a bright yellow overdipped unnatural look. Copper spots have always been a good sign of orig gold. $20 gold pieces are big coins and the faces on 65 coins usually look too abraided. That's how they come. They don't look as clean as Morgan dollars in MS65. While I guess they should in theory, there is no theory involved with grading coins. Every series is graded to a diff standard. PCGS wouldn't want to make this too easy for every one.

The 57-s hoard $20's have tremendous luster on them and most of us would take a few scuffs rather than get dullish luster with a clean look. Even curated, the CA hoard coins are just amazing looking coins. And I don't own one either.

roadrunner

oreville · November 15, 2003 12:35PM

It is not the existence of copper spot(s) that I am concerned about. I am concerned whether the copper spots are stable or if they are new and/or dynamic (still growing). If not stable then I would be concerned about the "look" of this and other SSCA gold coins down the road. I would be more comfortable revisiting a SSCA gold coin in another two-three years.

Even the 1875-S Liberty I showed earlier had a coppery area on the rim at 3 o clock but it hasn't changed one bit in the 8 years I have observed the coin.

coinguy1 · November 16, 2003 12:18AM

Oreville, I concur with your follow-up post. Please make note on your calendar to bring this thread TTT in 2 or 3 years.

Does this 1857-S $20 Gold coin show early signs of the aftermath of curating SS Central America Gold

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