Three months and still at the top of the pops

FC57Coins · October 30, 2003 4:59AM

Across the street:

1947P Roosie

1963D Roosie

The question now is - are these actually something of a rarity? I know that PCGS has graded Full Band ones, but it seems to me that Full Torch is turning out to be a little tougher than Full Band - any opinions?

Placid · October 30, 2003 5:05AM

FC57Coins · October 30, 2003 5:07AM

MadMonk · October 30, 2003 5:07AM

this thread is -100% excellent.

MadMonk · October 30, 2003 5:08AM

I'm not hip enough to know what you mean. When I check out the link, I don't see any at any other grades. Suggests to me that maybe people are just not taking enough chances.

Baley · October 30, 2003 5:14AM

some dates are going to be very tough in FT, others quite easy.

there are millions of coins to go through, yet, and people, in general, aren't doing it.

lots of OBW rolls out there, still.

Placid · October 30, 2003 5:17AM

FC57Coins · October 30, 2003 5:28AM

<< <i>I'm not hip enough to know what you mean. When I check out the link, I don't see any at any other grades. Suggests to me that maybe people are just not taking enough chances. >>

At NGC

1947P - Out of 419 graded, 1 has made Full Torch

1963D - Out of 336 graded, 1 has made Full Torch

On the PCGS side

1947P - Out of 388 graded, 25 have made Full Band

1963D - Out of 863 graded, 10 have made Full Band

Baley · October 30, 2003 5:33AM

starting to look like just having full horiozontal bands is easier than having full bands PLUS full vertical torch lines and nicely defined flames, without having a single large distracting mark or a number of smaller marks, anywhere on the torch.

kind of like it's harder to have full upper and lower bell lines than it is to have just full lower ones

MadMonk · October 30, 2003 5:41AM

Thanks Frank...I didnt see the amount graded, but I am waiting on my first pair of Glasses!
Well, percentage wise, They sure look tough.

FC57Coins · October 30, 2003 6:02AM

Monkapop:

You can see both FT and non-FT graded coins when you look at the general pop chart - what my links showed were for those two specific coins.

clackamas · October 30, 2003 6:57AM

The 63-D in 67 is hard much less FB and then FT. Its going to stay an uncommon coin, IMO. I have some FB's in 63-D that would FT but not at 67.

oldcameoproofsguy · October 30, 2003 7:10AM

I think that when collectors are willing to fork over the big bucks for FT Roosies the pop numbers will grow.

I saw this with the Frankies. As soon as people were willing to pay moon money for FBL coins, more and more coins were resubmitted for that elusive FBL grade. Now the pop numbers for FBL coins are starting to reflect true rarity. I think it will take several years before we really will know relative rarities for FT coins.

Unfortunately, some dealers will take advantage of the low pops and push many of these coins. Not to say that some FT coins won't be rare but dealers will use the current pops to lure ignorant collectors.

fivecents · October 30, 2003 7:29AM

Sounds like NGC may be tighter on the FT designation than PGCS.

For the 1963-D dime to have a combined NGC/PCGS POP of 11 in FT must mean that the 63-D doesn't come fully struck very often. Heck the red book has the mintage at over 421 millon!

techeff · October 30, 2003 9:52AM

This is my 63D Roosie. I think it could go FT or FB, but it's no MS67...

Three months and still at the top of the pops

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