Are you creating toners right now?

Cam40 · October 27, 2003 5:39PM

...as in, holdered in something that would promote toning.

have you checked on them lately? and if so, hows in going?

some i have in cardboard boxes have developed some color.

and some, way more than others, depending if it was a dipped coin and/or its positioning in the box.

would you consider it ATing?

your answers and comments?

LucyBop · October 27, 2003 6:35PM

amatuer!

I use a oxidation or a CVD furnace...

hoardmonster · October 27, 2003 7:28PM

I got a few baking right now. Should be ready to throw up on eBay shortly.

pmh1nic · October 27, 2003 9:21PM

I'm doing everything I can to preserve the coins in their current condition, whether blast white or toned. I purchased the coins for they look they have now not for a look I hoped I could "create" by subjecting them to some chemical process (dipping or coloring).

I know I may belabor this point but I view coins as pieces of history that tell a story, the history of the time period in which they were minted and the history of the time period they have survived through. I want their condition to be a matter of historical happenstance rather then intentional manipulation to obtain a certain look.

The fact that we have numerous examples of blast white Morgan's is testament to the numbers made and their storage rather then being used in circulation. The many different types of toning are evidence of the types of storage methods and conditions in which they were stored. Every time a Morgan is dipped or ATed it skews the historical account.

I realize that one Morgan dipped or ATed would be viewed by many as insignificant given the vast numbers and some might accuse me of being anal but what I'm trying to get across is a principle. If you view coins as historical artifacts then dipping or otherwise munipulating the surfaces (with the exception of stopping some type of aggressive damage) is wiping out and rewriting the history IMHO. On the financial side it also devalues the coins that happen to be in a particular condition (blast white or beautifully toned) via historical happenstance.

We are the caretakers of these pieces of history. Since we have the means to preserve them in their current condition I think it's important to preserve their appearance and not do anything to obscure the history.

LucyBop · October 27, 2003 9:24PM

ahh, goto walmart and buy some spray on toning for 4.99 a can... works great.

darktone · October 27, 2003 9:25PM

I am experimenting with a few silver eagles and morgans. mike

LucyBop · October 27, 2003 9:31PM

<< <i>few silver eagles >>

You should see fast results here.........

nwcs · October 27, 2003 9:43PM

I tried an experiment with some older books. I got a few coins to tone with a gold-brown color. Kinda dull colors on an otherwise nice coin. I've got a SAE in the same envelope which accidentally created a beautifully toned onza. Of course, that onza was in there for like 10 years. I'm willing to wait.

XpipedreamR · October 27, 2003 9:47PM

I have a bunch of 1964 quarters that I would like to experiment with, but I'm not exactly sure what to do to them.

4thStooge · October 27, 2003 9:53PM

It's the only job I have. I work one or two days a week. I make about 10 coins a day. About half of those get slabbed by PCGS or NGC through third parties. I also book coins for toning and submit them as they ripen. I took a long time to get to this point. It is an interesting process.

MadMonk · October 27, 2003 10:07PM

yep!

bushmaster8 · October 27, 2003 10:50PM

Constantly! And with great success.
I put them in carboard mint set holders of the 1950's and put em the exhaust pipe of my hot water heater for a few months. Is this AT?? I don't really know. It is a fine line. Depends on your definition. You could say the toning is accelerated, but it sure lokks great in many cases.

pmh 1nic says:"On the financial side it also devalues the coins that happen to be in a particular condition (blast white or beautifully toned) via historical happenstance."

I have to disagree with that statement! The toners I make are often worth far more financially than before I work them.

Also, your statements that,"I want their condition to be a matter of historical happenstance rather then intentional manipulation to obtain a certain look." and,"I'm doing everything I can to preserve the coins in their current condition...", seem to be at complete odds with each other.

By preserving coins in their current condition, you are admittedly taking steps to interrupt the natural history/time continuum!

pmh1nic · October 27, 2003 11:06PM

Bushmaster8

"I have to disagree with that statement! The toners I make are often worth far more financially than before I work them."

I know you don't care about the affect your making of toned coins has on the value of the coins owned by others that are in that state due to historical happenstance. For you it's all about the bling, bling.

"By preserving coins in their current condition, you are admittedly taking steps to interrupt the natural history/time continuum!"

I disagree. Today the technology and know how is readily available to stop or inhibit toning. This technology and know how didn't exist 100 years ago and wasn't really readily even 50 years ago. Fifty years ago the Mint packaged Mint Sets using material that promotes toning, today they don't. The lack of a particular technology or know how speaks something of the history of the particular time period in which the coins were minted and have survived through.

The means we have today to preserve coins speaks something of this time period so rather than interrupting the nature history/time continuum exercising the ability to preserve coins in their current condition is a testament to the technology that exist today and is an accurate reflection of this time period.

bushmaster8 · October 27, 2003 11:40PM

Good point!

barberlover · October 28, 2003 1:37AM

This thread is very revealing

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I hope my Icon coin didn't come out of a coin Doc's workshop or boiler or easy bake oven or window sill or potatoe

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If someone can come on here and openly admit that he "works" his coins and half of them get slabbed by pcgs what does that mean ???

Les

cosmicdebris · October 28, 2003 1:41AM

I am willing to Wayte awhile.

Iwog · October 28, 2003 3:01AM

Thanks for the laugh guys.

Wolf359 · October 28, 2003 3:03AM

Trying a window sill with bright sunshine. Kinda slow!

mgoodm3 · October 28, 2003 3:10AM

I'm always amused that most around here shun AT coins while some are purposely toning coins in albums. What's the dividing line between NT and AT? I think that division is getting rather fuzzy.

pmh1nic · October 28, 2003 9:29AM

mgoodm3

I think one issue is certainty of outcome. Sure, you can put your coins in old folders (the newer one's aren't as reactive) and HOPE you get a monster in 25 years or so. The doctors try to speed up the process and do things to get a particular result every time.

Placid · October 28, 2003 9:32AM

<< <i>I'm always amused that most around here shun AT coins while some are purposely toning coins in albums. What's the dividing line between NT and AT? I think that division is getting rather fuzzy. >>

A pcgs holder or a bodybag

FrattLaw · October 28, 2003 9:37AM

I've got a set of Roosies sitting in a Wayte Raymond Album, as well as Peace $ and modern Commems. I have WR boards for a type set and mint/proof sets as well and I just picked this set of Meghrig boards for a great price to add to my collection.

The Roosies are really starting to tone, while the Peace $ and modern commems aren't really doing much. They all been in the WR boards for about 4 months. So we'll see what happens. I just have them in my safe and I'm not doing anything else to accelerate any toning so to me if they tone, they will certainly be NT!

Michael

NHLfightguy · October 28, 2003 10:11AM

There is no difference between AT vs NT, it's color vs color same thing........

mozeppa · October 28, 2003 10:12AM

i find that thowing a silver down into an out house and leaving it there for 2 weeks usually does the trick...

to retrieve it i throw a 20 dollar gold piece in there as well....hey i'm not going down there for just a lousy at'd buck!

aw crap!

Baley · October 28, 2003 10:15AM

Coins put in cardboard holders for a long time sometimes tarnish

the results of "improper storage"

pmh1nic · October 28, 2003 12:09PM

NFLfightguy

"There is no difference between AT vs NT, it's color vs color same thing........"

On one hand the thin film interference that results in what we call toning is just a chemical reaction whether it's natural (a matter of time and historical happenstance) or an intentional doctoring of a coin's surface. But the how of toning is important as far as coins being historical artifacts revealing something of the time period in which a coin was minted, how it was stored and the time period through which it has managed to survive.

I do see a difference (as far as assessing value) in a Morgan that as a result of 50 years of storage in a Mint bag has beautiful textile toning versus something a doctor might have "painted" on in his lab. It may be the same thin film interference but what makes one coin valuable (IMHO) and the other a piece of junk is the how. Can I know the how with absolute certainty? Maybe not. But circumstantial evidence, a good pair of eyes and knowledge regarding how coins tone can bring me to the point of having a high level of certainty.

fcloud · October 28, 2003 12:22PM

No. I don't want to ruin any coins.

mintluster · October 28, 2003 1:08PM

<< <i>No. I don't want to ruin any coins.

>>

Isn't this the truth. I agree.

mintluster · October 28, 2003 1:09PM

All toning is evil. Especially on my beloved Morgans (Series 52).

fountainheadgold · October 28, 2003 1:29PM

You guys and gals really want to see toning, come to Connecticut and see what mother nature can do to trees

Are you creating toners right now?

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