AT or NT? Your opinions and rationale would be appreciated!

uofa1285 · October 21, 2003 7:56AM

eBay auction I recently won

Thanks!

Doug

JxnBoy · October 21, 2003 7:58AM

I say NT. I don't consider it particulary attractive (sorry), but most of the tone doctors aim for bright colors or rainbows. I've not seen a whole lot of AT coins toned in an album type pattern in grey or black.

David

uofa1285 · October 21, 2003 8:00AM

Thanks David. I am hoping that it is nicer in person (greens can be pretty), thereby fetching me $100 or so on submissin then re-auction.

Doug

Baley · October 21, 2003 8:03AM

Well, it doesn't look entirely natural to me, and do not think it even makes "intentional but market acceptable" meaning that the P or the N would slab it. It's too white in the center and too dark around the rims, and the transition is too sharp and kind of uneven. Maybe something was brushed on or off the coin. Sorry, maybe it looks better in hand than in the pics.

nwcs · October 21, 2003 10:10AM

I also lean towards artificially applied. The edges are too sharp and at weird angles. The way the color jumps the rim also worries me. My first impression when seeing the coin was "yikes." Sorry.

It is always possible that the pic is horrible or was enhanced to show the color. That would explain why the center is blown way out of gamut.

braddick · October 21, 2003 10:33AM

The Teacher asking the students if it's AT or not...

relayer · October 21, 2003 11:52AM

I think its a nice natural toning

tsacch · October 21, 2003 1:08PM

i kinda am leaning toward the AT side, bc of the dark rims and pristine centers......and relatively same obv and rev......hope i am wrong for your sake, please post pics when you get her.

tom

FrattLaw · October 21, 2003 1:33PM

<< <i>The Teacher asking the students if it's AT or not... >>

nwcs · October 21, 2003 9:52PM

Looking at it again, it looks like a Q-tip was rolled along the edges to make that.

Placid · October 21, 2003 9:57PM

Coin looks circulated and either scratched alot and or cleaned.

gemtone65 · October 21, 2003 11:07PM

No, I don't think it's naturally toned. The patina has the appearance of being derived from an album, hence the "target" effect. However, when a coin tones like this, without actually being in contact with the source of the toning (and, in most cases, even when there is contact), the colors do not start out that dark, but rather get darker with additional exposure time. As this process proceeds, and it takes quite a while for the outer portion of the coin to tone that dark natually, the inner portion will begin to assume some of the earlier colors that the rim took on.

On your piece, Doug, there is no such effect. One would expect to see some blue toning being formed inside the dark outer portion, rather than the bright white surface that appears untoned. To me, that implies that the outer toning was applied in a rapid and unnatural manner. For this reason, I suspect the coin is AT, and further believe that its appearance is not market acceptable for the top tier grading services, and I don't mean just PCGS or NGC.

DCAMFranklin · October 21, 2003 11:22PM

It sure looks AT to me.

Newmismatist · October 21, 2003 11:40PM

Looks very UNnatural, AT in my mind & a BB for sure

agentjim007 · October 21, 2003 11:46PM

note to self...disregard opinion on toning

Wolf359 · October 22, 2003 12:24AM

AT...at least PCGS has been body-bagging that type of toning pattern. To me, it just doesn't look natural.

uofa1285 · October 22, 2003 6:32AM

Thanks all. It is a borderline call that I will be better able to make once in hand. I will follow up in a few days when it arrives.

Michael (Frattlaw) - your refund just went down to 100%...

Doug

fivecents · October 22, 2003 7:02AM

I have a Morgan1$ with toning like that in a PCGS holder. I think it is NT, but that is the type of toning that sometimes is called enviromental damage by the grading services. It all depends on how deep it is into the coin.imo

AT or NT? Your opinions and rationale would be appreciated!

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