<< <i>The mint apparently had the dies ready if needed, but they were not needed and the mint had no plans to strike any '13 Liberties for circulation (what the mint should have done is destroy the dies as soon as they knew they weren't going to be used.) >>
They did. The Mint received orders to do nothing about the nickel coinageon either Dec 12 or 14th 1912 and the Philadelphia dies were destroyed on Dec 17th. The San Francisco dies had aready been shipped west before the orders had come so they had to be ordered returned to Philadelphia. They arrived Dec 24th and were destroyed on the 30th or 31st. No 1913 V nickel dies survived into 1913. All five pieces had to have been coined before the 17th of Dec 1912.
I don't think any of the 1913 V Nickels are proofs, just prooflike strikes from new dies (And I believe business strike dies.). At first they were all called proofs but later at least three of them were "downgraded" to business strikes. Since all five were probably struck at the same time, one after the other it doesn't seem reasonable that soem would be proofs and others not.
Bad wording on my part. Obviously they had "plans" of some kind, if they had the dies ready, in case the Buffalo design couldn't be used, as per the excerpt from the COINage article.
That's kind of the way I see it also. Prooflike strikes from business strike dies, but not proofs. This is speculation on my part again, but why would the Philadelphia Mint go to the trouble of making proof dies for the 1913 Liberty nickel if they were reasonably certain the dies weren't going to be used? Whoever ended up striking those five nickels for whatever reason, certainly would not have gone to the trouble to make the die a proof die. It appears the MO was to strike the coins as quickly as possible, i.e. on the sly, and get that die back in the vault before anyone noticed.
We've somehow gravitated from the real subject. I have alot of respect for all involved in the handling of this supposed 74 alum...but I am ready willing and able to put forth 1k that its not real. Here in public forum i swear, you slab it real, I will pay you 1k.
CAM40 We'll never know.The coin was sold to a private collector.He weighed it and examined it carefully,and was satisfied with it.I've been told it won't be seen again until his death.
just so all here know, I made this offer to get the coin out in the open, not to discount anything said here by any member, as I have nothing but respect for michael and don
What does an aluminum cent weigh? If the buyer had it weighed, and it fell within the tolerance weight for an aluminum cent, wouldn't that pretty much end speculation over whether or not it's genuine?
Good question. I'm sure the specs are around somewhere. The mint probably has it recorded somewhere (mint records). Some reference books may have it. I looked in Lange's book and couldn't find any specs. However he did list the specs for the bronze clad steel alloy. Those cents weigh 2.77 grams and have a specific gravity of 7.9142. Interesting.
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<< <i>The mint apparently had the dies ready if needed, but they were not needed and the mint had no plans to strike any '13 Liberties for circulation (what the mint should have done is destroy the dies as soon as they knew they weren't going to be used.) >>
They did. The Mint received orders to do nothing about the nickel coinageon either Dec 12 or 14th 1912 and the Philadelphia dies were destroyed on Dec 17th. The San Francisco dies had aready been shipped west before the orders had come so they had to be ordered returned to Philadelphia. They arrived Dec 24th and were destroyed on the 30th or 31st. No 1913 V nickel dies survived into 1913. All five pieces had to have been coined before the 17th of Dec 1912.
I don't think any of the 1913 V Nickels are proofs, just prooflike strikes from new dies (And I believe business strike dies.). At first they were all called proofs but later at least three of them were "downgraded" to business strikes. Since all five were probably struck at the same time, one after the other it doesn't seem reasonable that soem would be proofs and others not.
That's kind of the way I see it also. Prooflike strikes from business strike dies, but not proofs. This is speculation on my part again, but why would the Philadelphia Mint go to the trouble of making proof dies for the 1913 Liberty nickel if they were reasonably certain the dies weren't going to be used? Whoever ended up striking those five nickels for whatever reason, certainly would not have gone to the trouble to make the die a proof die. It appears the MO was to strike the coins as quickly as possible, i.e. on the sly, and get that die back in the vault before anyone noticed.
OFFERS OUT THERE, PUT UP OR...
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<< <i>So is PCGS gonna slab this thing? Should we ask Mr. Hall tonight in the Q&A?
Question has already been asked and answered. Here is David Hall's answer to the question.
One stakes their reputation on it being real, while the other puts up $1,000 beans to the contrary.
Interesting to say the least.
We'll never know.The coin was sold to a private collector.He weighed it and examined it carefully,and was satisfied with it.I've been told it won't be seen again until his death.
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oops and ken too once i get my beer
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What does an aluminum cent weigh? If the buyer had it weighed, and it fell within the tolerance weight for an aluminum cent, wouldn't that pretty much end speculation over whether or not it's genuine?
go to get specifications, ie. weight, specific gravity, etc. ?
Good question. I'm sure the specs are around somewhere. The mint probably has it recorded somewhere (mint records). Some reference books may have it. I looked in Lange's book and couldn't find any specs. However he did list the specs for the bronze clad steel alloy. Those cents weigh 2.77 grams and have a specific gravity of 7.9142. Interesting.