Why are the majority of beautifully toned Morgans 1$ S and O mint coins?

fivecents · October 18, 2003 9:37AM

Alot of the colorful toned morgans seem to be 80-S, 81-S, 82-S, 83-0 and 84-0. Any ideas on why these two mintmarks and the five year date run hold most of the monster toners?

airplanenut · October 18, 2003 9:39AM

I think they were the most common ones to be stuck in mint vaults, where bag toning occurred...

Dog97 · October 18, 2003 10:22AM

Yeah APN is right. Being that those were the highest mintages it stands to reason they were the ones most stored in the vaults in bags for years.

Skipper53 · October 18, 2003 10:40AM

Could climate be a factor ?
Those two mints are on the coast, right ?

fivecents · October 18, 2003 10:42AM

The CC, P and D mint marked Morgans seem to have a lower beautifully toned Morgan to mintage ratio than the O and S mint Morgans.

fivecents · October 18, 2003 10:47AM

Skipper53... Climate is what I always thought was the factor,but why is it mostly in a certain date run?

gsaguy · October 18, 2003 10:53AM

I think that if you're talking about pure, overall beauty, the S mints tend to stand out because of eye appeal. And that eye appeal can be directly attributed to luster.

Without luster, a color coin is typically dull and lifeless looking....no matter how nice the colors.

JMHO.

GSAGUY

fivecents · October 18, 2003 10:58AM

<< <i>Without luster, a color coin is typically dull and lifeless looking....no matter how nice the colors. >>

Great info GSAGUY

I think the prettiest S-mints are the 1882-S Morgans.

cosmos66 · October 18, 2003 11:13AM

I just looked through all my morgans and all the s's have toning at some level.f

nwcs · October 18, 2003 11:45AM

Yep, the luster is #1 and #2 and #3 of the factors involved. Not all the morgans were made the same way. Some just weren't struck or prepared well. The ones with the most spectacular toning tend to be, in my experience, the ones that come from the best strikes and die preparation of the series.

Dog97 · October 18, 2003 11:47AM

<<<Those two mints are on the coast, right ?>>>
That doesn't matter because they were not stored at the mint, they were stored at the Treasury in D.C., which is kinda near a coast, and various Federal Reserve Banks throughout the country.

fivecents · October 18, 2003 11:50AM

Yes, but what about the O mints. The O mints have a very high ratio of monster toners to mintage also. The question still has not been answered.

Does anybody know the answer?

cosmos...I think The S- mint luster shows the colors better. It does not cause the toning.

Gilbert · October 18, 2003 11:41PM

<< <i>Alot of the colorful toned morgans seem to be 80-S, 81-S, 82-S, 83-0 and 84-0. Any ideas on why these two mintmarks and the five year date run hold most of the monster toners? >>

Well, someone has already mentioned that many were minted and thus many were stored. The so-called "date run" is just coincidence. I think you missed the point on the "S" dollars, particularly for the years you mention. They have a high number of prooflike finishes, and that DOES have a tendency to make the toning stand out. Also, these are more common dates and so less expensive. Collectors could buy/store/hoard these dates more easily.

<< <i>Yes, but what about the O mints. The O mints have a very high ratio of monster toners to mintage also. The question still has not been answered. Does anybody know the answer? >>

Not many prooflikes but relatively affordable and another hoarded coin. More people could afford to keep bags/rolls or store in albums.

As for the "D" mint, well there is only one year of issue, "P" mint circulated much and the "CC" dollars, well just didn't circulate and cost a bit much for the average collector to accumulate.

Bottom line I believe is high mintage common dates make the coin available in greater numbers to be stored or placed in more albums.

ArtR · October 19, 2003 1:28AM

As has been mentioned LUSTER! A coin will not produce Vivid toning, the kind that puts in into the monster class without great Luster. The early S Mints, and The O Mints mentioned will normally carry the flashy type luster that is needed to show off the colors in their full glory.

A good example of this would be the 86, and 87 P Morgans. In bag quantities they were more than likely the most common Morgans out there, but you don't run into the same number with attractive tone as you do the early S, and O mints. WHY? In my opinion Luster, It is all over the place on these two dates, from flat to very lustrous, and a large number in what would be called a satin luster, which will cause a subdued type of toning.

MacCoin · October 19, 2003 1:37AM

the doctors buy these common dates cheap, toned them and flooded the market with bunches of ATed common dates. As long as people keep buying the colored mogans there will be someone out the that will subply the demand.

mintluster · October 19, 2003 2:47AM

I know I am in the minority here, but I rarely see "beautifully toned" Morgans.
Most look like crap. Every once in a while one will stand out. Not often though.

fivecents · October 19, 2003 2:51AM

ArtR, gsaguy ....Mint luster.
It took both of you to get me to understand the answer.

mintluster · October 19, 2003 4:09AM

I think toned coins should be banned and all who buy them arrested!

mintluster · October 19, 2003 4:10AM

Just kidding!!! Heh heh heh.......

relayer · October 19, 2003 6:37AM

Because there are a lot of common date problem coins that can be doctored up real pretty.

Why are the majority of beautifully toned Morgans 1$ S and O mint coins?

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