Opinions/Guess the grade PCGS assigned

Bikingnut · October 17, 2003 2:29PM

I'm interested in everyones opinions on this 64 P Washington. What do you think PCGS said?

fountainheadgold · October 17, 2003 2:38PM

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wingedliberty · October 17, 2003 2:42PM

Still no luck

DHeath · October 17, 2003 2:43PM

Based only on the obverse, I'd say MS64. There is a pretty noticable hit on the neck, light chatter on the cheek, and a few contact makks in front of the nose. There also appears to be a mark directly behind the bust headed toward 3:00 on the rim, and another below IGWT. I like the coin, but to me it is a 3 with a bump for toning. Again, this is based on the obverse alone.

Bikingnut · October 17, 2003 2:45PM

Try again. It was intermitant for me, but on the third try it worked.

DHeath · October 17, 2003 2:47PM

Here's the pic.

wingedliberty · October 17, 2003 2:55PM

I agree. MS66 obv.

dollardude · October 17, 2003 3:09PM

I would say that PCGS rejected it and gave it no grade. It looks cleaned and artificially toned.

Skipper53 · October 17, 2003 4:20PM

I don't know about any cleaning or toning but it looks heavily brushed from the picture.

TWODOGS · October 17, 2003 4:32PM

Those look like adjustment marks. Pretty heavy, at that. I'm always wrong grading from pics, so I'm not going to hazard a guess.

mintluster · October 17, 2003 4:36PM

Not sure what they said but I bet they body-bagged it. Cleaning maybe.

Cam40 · October 17, 2003 5:01PM

What are the lines in the coin from. Die-polish lines or perhaps struck on a streaky planchet?

I,ll guess its from a streaky planchet since the ridges are in the devices also.

How would it affect the overall grade is what I,m wondering.

Do they take off much for a lesser quality planchet?

I guess a case could be made for both ways about it.

Ie; little to no affect of grade, or its a big neg in the eye-appeal dept.?

Low grade 63 +/- 1 point, High grade 66 +/- 1 point.

JAG

dollardude · October 17, 2003 5:28PM

If this was just a poor quality planchet or a die problem, then, as struck, I would grade him MS65. I have a Morgan silver dollar with a very small area like this, and PCGS ignored it in the grading. However, this area is very large, and wouldn't seem to me to be a planchet flaw or die problem. I just can't tell for sure without seeing the coin in person, but this is sure interesting!

Baley · October 17, 2003 5:29PM

interesting question. my chain of logic starts with the fact that someone submitted a very common 1964 quarter to PCGS, so they must have thought it would do well. Very well. One does not submit such coins hoping to get MS65. OK, on to the picture. Nice coin, what is up with the lines running NW to SE? First guess, die polish, possibly the coin was brushed and would BB. No major marks, a few tiny hits and some rather attractive and certainly MA toning. I wonder how those streaks look in different light?

Anyway the coin looks 65 or maybe 66 from the pic, plus or minus a point depending on how it looks in hand. Must be better because otherwise why slab such a coin? How's the reverse?

Edit: just noticed in bikingnut's sig that he is looking for PCGS AU58 Washingtons.
Change my guess to AU58

fivecents · October 17, 2003 9:33PM

Ms 66 with heavy die polish lines.

darktone · October 17, 2003 10:20PM

I have seen proofs with that streaky appearence. mike

nwcs · October 17, 2003 10:56PM

CU's attachment system isn't working well... Overall an attractive coin but with the strike being what it is, I'll go 64.

nwcs · October 17, 2003 10:58PM

<< <i>Ms 66 with heavy die polish lines. >>

I don't think it's die polish. It's too straight and doesn't run under the devices but over them. It's not likely cleaning, either, since it is too straight for cleaning. It's most likely a not fully struck coin showing streaks for the original planchet.

DHeath · October 17, 2003 11:40PM

My take is that the striations are just toning, and it is a look I like and have seen before. The reason I picked on the coin a little was the hit that runs north-south on the neck. Looking this morning, I might bump this coin to a 5. I think it's a nice ordinary coin with slight bagginess that has extrordinary toning. Without the toning, it is a low 4 IMO.

MadMonk · October 17, 2003 11:49PM

my guess is that it might have made a 66. I also would guess that the coin was lightky dipped at some point, and then naturally re-toned.

fantasiize · October 18, 2003 12:59AM

ms65

Bikingnut · October 18, 2003 4:09AM

PCGS said MS64. It is a much better coin in person than the picture shows. The streaks are just toning. Not sure why it's toned that way, but it is very attractive in person and there really aren't any detracting marks.

darktone · October 18, 2003 4:31AM

could this type of toning be caused by the cellophane from being in a mint set?

DHeath · October 18, 2003 4:36AM

Darktone, yes. I've seen it on a few JFK's still in the cellophane.

DHeath · October 18, 2003 4:55AM

Thought you guys would like this old thread with JFK pics. The toning pattern is very similar, and the 64 that Frank put up could have come from the same set.

Russ · October 18, 2003 7:33AM

<< <i>It looks cleaned and artificially toned. >>

The coin is not cleaned and the toning is 100% natural. It toned up from being housed in one of those five coin aftermarket mint sets.

In case anybody wanted to see the reverse.

Russ, NCNE

Bikingnut · October 18, 2003 9:47AM

Thanks Russ, I cropped the original image so that it would upload and then accidently saved it over the image of the reverse. Beautiful quarter.

Bikingnut · October 18, 2003 10:10AM

I agree. I still think it's better than a 64, but I't's not worth trying. I can say though I have a few bright white Washingtons in 65 and 66 holders that have more contact marks than this one.

Dennis

Cam40 · October 18, 2003 1:40PM

Good eye Don. So it is toning. But I still think its an issue with the quality of the planchet itself.
I too have seen these streaks on Washingtons and Lincolns too. Pretty cool looking sometimes.
Despite that opinion though PCGS knocked it down a point or too for it it seems. I suppose they felt
it was a neg towards the overall grade? Without the streak toning the coin is a 66-67 is what
PCGS thought I guess?

...take some nick-0-date on a Q-tip and work it into a BU SQ then wipe it off / wash it and you,ll likely
reveal the streaks on the planchet that was probably caused by the rollers that process the stock.
....ok,so i ruined the look of a SQ. Coinstar still takes it...

Russ · October 18, 2003 1:50PM

Here's another one with a similar toning pattern:

Also pulled from an aftermarket mint set. There's something about the velvet flocked cardboard inserts in these that can produce some pretty cool toning in a wide variety of patterns and colors.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · October 18, 2003 1:56PM

And here's the nicest one I've found in one of these sets so far:

Russ, NCNE

Bikingnut · October 19, 2003 7:08AM

Those are beauties. Are they going on ebay anytime soon?

Russ · October 19, 2003 8:53AM

<< <i>Are they going on ebay anytime soon? >>

Both have already gone to new homes.

Russ, NCNE

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