Peace Dollar Crossed but was it damaged by PCGS ??

sumner1984 · October 16, 2003 9:36AM

This coin was a NGC MS65, I liked the coin so I figure I would cross it over to PCGS, I know this coin is considered a common date but did PCGS damage the coin ? I am now seeing some minor peeling in the hair field. It is a small piece of peeling coin, but if you hold the coin at a angle, you will see the peel lifting off the coin. How could this happen, it wasnt there before! Im sorry I crossed this coin cause now I dont really accept it anymore cause I feel its damaged ,but I guess I can sell/trade it and get another .I did call PCGS customer care and they will have the grader or a representative get back to me. The peace dollar did cross to PCGS graded at MS64, even with this minor peel in the hair field. So the question is can coins peel, and who or what caused this ???

nwcs · October 16, 2003 9:40AM

Sounds like a lamination. Or a piece of something that got slabbed with the coin that is lying on top of it. No way to know without a pic.

sumner1984 · October 16, 2003 9:42AM

sorry I dont have a scanner, but I do have a 15x glass loupe and good lighting, its a small peel coming off the coin, not debris.

nwcs · October 16, 2003 9:45AM

Sounds like a lamination, then, that finally started to split off. You may never have previously noticed it. It's unlikely a gouge if it really looks like a peel that can "fit" back into the coin surface. It's my best guess, anyway.

sumner1984 · October 16, 2003 9:52AM

Yes it can fit back in place, and it is small. So this is fairly common occurence ? and since its been graded by PCGS, I guess it ok ??

nwcs · October 16, 2003 9:54AM

If it is a lamination, it is decently common enough. If it is, it's a mint error and therefore still gradeable and not considered damage. It's more common on some series than others. There are many laminations in the war nickel series. I think it is less common on dollar coins. I'm sure there will be some error guys here who will correct everything I've said and set the record straight, though.

sumner1984 · October 16, 2003 10:04AM

I wont cross or reholder again, cause the more you handle these coins, there is always the chance that something will happen. Just live with the holder or only buy the coin and make sure it is housed in a clean holder from the start.PCGS must have people screaming at them, if this had been an expensive coin, I would be screaming also !!!So I guess the peel was going to happen any way, As long as it can be traded or sold, it dont really matter at this point anyways.

MRK · October 16, 2003 10:14AM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are people who collect laminations. I am not familiar with them so I don't know what premiums they carry if any. But to answer your question I don't believe the coin could be damaged by PCGS in the manner in which you describe.

Dog97 · October 16, 2003 11:09AM

Lamination is a common error on most denominations and doesn't carry a big prem but it is an interesting occurance. Creating a lamination by post mint alteration would be hard to do, especially accidently.

grip · October 16, 2003 11:30AM

PCGS had nothing to do with the lamination,I believe you just missed it before sending it in.Al

razorface1027 · October 16, 2003 1:53PM

Yes it can fit back in place, and it is small. So this is fairly common occurence ? and since its been graded by PCGS, I guess it ok ??

No, not OK! If it was originally in a 65 NGC, it's possible PCGS screwed it up, thus, the new grade of 64 in a PCGS holder. I'd break their balls relentlessly until I get satisfaction. They're Pros..not God! They can makes mistakes, costly ones too...

Placid · October 16, 2003 2:08PM

The thing I worry about most with crossovers are fingerprints.
This is the first time I have saw someone say a coin was physically damaged.

Goldog63 · October 16, 2003 11:18PM

Just a guess, unless you did miss it prior to sending it in, The grader may have seen something amiss and somehow messed with it to try to determine what it was and opened up the lamination. Only thing I imagine they would use is something like canned air, not a tooothpick or anything.

wallstreetman · October 17, 2003 1:48AM

Sounds about right, NGC MS65 to a PCGS MS64, maybe overgraded if it was damaged!

Peace Dollar Crossed but was it damaged by PCGS ??

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