Hmm the 1921 does not come DMPL with a cameo. That would make me wonder about the coin. I'd have to see the coin directly to see if the frost was added after the coin was struck. It looks a bit off color in the center cheek. The reverse looks completely wrong for any Morgan of any year and mint. The eagle's wings have a flashy chrome finish.
looks freaking nice to me...........the rim looks funky to me though.........you gonna grade her.????????
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Based on the 1921 Morgan dollars I have seen over the years, it is extremely unlikely / all but impossible that the one pictured is original. My best guess is cleaned and / or processed and / or altered.
Coincidentally, I examined a PR65 Zerbe yesterday and, even it, looked nothing like the coin in this thread.
Edited to add: Whoops, it was a Chapman Proof I examined yesterday. But, they are even better made and more brilliant than the Zerbe Proofs.
While all 1921 dated Morgans are scarce in PL and rare in full DMPL and/or with cameo contrast (especially so for the 21-S), a very few cameoed 1921-P coins do exist. That is definately an interesting looking piece and near impossible to tell from the pic if it's original or played with. It doesn't look to have have the diagnostics of being struck from Zerbe dies, nor does it look to be artificially frosted, nor does it look to be whizzed or a "california proof" coin, in fact, the one or two fully PL genuine 1921's I've seen had a look very similar to that piece with uneven frost and a chromelike appearance in some areas on the reverse devices. The typical spotting in the fields common to most PL 1921's also lends a bit of credence to a fully PL original coin, but again, impossible to tell from a pic.
If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say that piece looks original but the scan makes the coin look deeper and more cameoed than it really is in person.
The term I used 'california proof' refers to a coin that has been artificially frosted and has had the fields polished to make it appear like a cameo prooflike coin, it was a common thing back in the 70's and 80's, but you don't see too many of them today. Some of those cal proof coins actually looked pretty good at first glance, and actually fooled a lot of people.
I saw my second California Prooflike PEACE dollar at the Louisville show weekend before last. Talk about something that looks weird. I haven't been able to buy either one of them though. The first dealer knew what it was and wouldn't sell it because he was afaid it would be used to scam someone, and the second dealer didn't know what it was and thought he had something incredibly rare and valuable.
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Is it in an auction or something?
The eagles wings and around liberty on the obverse.
Neat coin
FrederickCoinClub
<< <i>Is it a Zerbe?......
That was my first thought. What are the diagnostics on a Zerbe ?
Coincidentally, I examined a PR65 Zerbe yesterday and, even it, looked nothing like the coin in this thread.
Edited to add: Whoops, it was a Chapman Proof I examined yesterday. But, they are even better made and more brilliant than the Zerbe Proofs.
al h.
If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say that piece looks original but the scan makes the coin look deeper and more cameoed than it really is in person.
dragon
Just curious, what is "California Proof?" I've heard the term before, but I don't know what process you mean by it.
The term I used 'california proof' refers to a coin that has been artificially frosted and has had the fields polished to make it appear like a cameo prooflike coin, it was a common thing back in the 70's and 80's, but you don't see too many of them today. Some of those cal proof coins actually looked pretty good at first glance, and actually fooled a lot of people.
dragon
Thanks, I know what you are talking about now.
dragon