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Question for all of you experts about NGC*

First of all let me say I prefer pcgs grading, but believe ngc to be close , I own mostly
pcgs, but also own many ngc. My question is this , Most of the ngc coins I own, I bought
prior to * designation. I believe ngc should have to regrade all of these for free. Most of
my ngc coins are close to the next grade up, so I am being short changed. If I go to sell
and my ms65 is up against a ms65* I will lose money. I am sure many of you are in same
position. I would like very much to hear from you the experts.
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Michael

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe ngc should have to regrade all of these for free. >>



    Good one. image



    << <i>Most of my ngc coins are close to the next grade up, so I am being short changed. If I go to sell
    and my ms65 is up against a ms65* I will lose money. >>



    The star designation is not granted because a coin is technically high end for the grade, it is granted based on exceptional eye appeal. This may take the forum of pretty toning or, in the case of proof coins, a brilliant that is very close to cameo or a cameo that is very close to UCAM.

    A coin that is simply "PQ" for the grade isn't going to get the designation unless it has other qualities that add to it's appeal, beyond simply being a bit better than the grade on the holder. And, it's damned tough to get the star. I've sent them some very cool stuff that I thought sure would get it and haven't got one yet.

    Russ, NCNE


  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    First of all, I believe that the regrade is free but you will still have to pay for the desired turn around.

    Second, if all your coins are top for the grade and you worry about being "shortchanged" why don't you forget the "*" and go for the 66's and 67's? Bigger money this way.

    Third, NGC does not hand the "*" out to just any coins.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Regrade is not free (nor should it be).
    Designation Review is what you're seeking and it is cheaper than a re-grade.

    peacockcoins

  • alot of the stars are given to toned coins but some white coins get them too. This coin is one of those coins that makes you say WOW!

    BTW this coin sold for TRIPLE greysheet bid because of the eye eppeal

    edited to add

    NGC will do a star review for $5 a coin if you send them in. At a show they charge $10 and you will at the very least get the new slab with every coin even if it does not get the star.

    image
  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    jb- Hard to believe there is no PL/DPL on that one. Someone was having a bad day, but was smart enough to hand out the star.
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  • The ngc coins i have are saints with excellent eye appeal and toned morgans with excellent eye appeal. I would be interested in the review, but I believe it should be free for coins graded prior to *
    Michael
  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    Crack the coins out and then you will feel better about repaying the fees.
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  • jamer

    I guess I should have said it has a dmpl obverse but not even a pl reverse.
  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    Interesting. Sweet coin anyway!!
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find that NGC will award the STAR to coins with ONE SIDED (obverse) CAMS and PL's. I'm guessing Jason's Morgan has a brilliant reverse with little contrast. That's just a guess though. If a Franklin, for example, has a CAM reverse but a DCAM obverse it'll also get the STAR (if there are no distractions).

    I've also noticed the color MUST be more along the lines of smooth and colorful vs molted and dark to receive the prestigous STAR.

    peacockcoins

  • braddick, I agree the colors must be somewhat bright for the star.
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I've been fortunate with star designation, but most of the coins were one-sided cams or very bright coins that were correctly technically graded. The most recent was a 65 SMS Lincoln with contrast and maybe cam.
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  • The only '*' coin I ever made was a 1939 D MS67* Washington. It is as bright white as the day it was minted (undipped.) The reason it got the '*' was because of the luster. I've never seen luster on any coin like this one exhibits. The luster shines in a bright, tight, perfectly symmetrical fashion any way you turn the coin. It must be a very early die state to have achieved this symmetry, IMO. Coins don't have to be toned to get a '*'.

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  • The little astric does not mean a thing. Everybody thinks their coins are just a little better. As a rule they are not,
    and I don't know of any dealer that will buy the "*" for anything extra. It is a marketing gimic, nothing more.
    The trick is to know which coins to send to whom?????????/
    Rusty
  • This coin got the star for being DMPL on the obverse, but as with most of this date, only one side is DMPL.
    Still feel eye appeal is in the eye of the beholder. This coin is exceptional.
    Rusty
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    billiardmaster is 100% correct, the NGC * designation is a gimmick and merely a way for NGC to generate additional revenue via designation review resubmissions IMO.

    dragon

  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    billiard master i can't pm you (yours is not "on")


    may i ask as to how you came up with your name "billiard master"?


  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,809 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>billiardmaster is 100% correct, the NGC * designation is a gimmick and merely a way for NGC to generate additional revenue via designation review resubmissions IMO.

    dragon >>

    Those are pretty strong words Dragon. I respect your opinions, I always have, but having a third party give the opinion a coin has superior Eye Appeal is additional information I don't mind having.

    Maybe that is because it works for me. I've yet to see a NGC STAR coin I didn't find attractive. They're worth a premium to me to add them to my collection.

    peacockcoins

  • I have never seen a star ngc that was not worthy
    Michael
  • Here is one that goes WAY beyond normal cameo. This is a real dandy!

    Pop.1/0 Franklin
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Holy smokes thats a lovely Frankie!!!!!!!!!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
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  • Wow that is a very nice franklin
    Michael

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