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My dealer knew I needed one of these for my U.S. type set, so he gave me a call, telling me he had a nice circulated example at a reasonable price. He guaranteed a certified grade of F-12, telling me he'd pay me back the difference if it didn't grade as he thought, if I still wanted to keep the coin. (He's a great guy BTW.) I know absolutely nothing about these coins. My impression is that the obverse is most certainly Fine, but the reverse looks VG to me. What are the reverse strikes generally like on this type of coin? What percentage do the TPG's give to obverse vs. reverse attributes in determining the grade. He also mentioned that these coins have Bolander (sp?) numbers, and I have no reference to determine this.

Finally, what is your overall and grading opinion of this coin?

Thanks in advance,

Andy

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    15-20.

    Here is a good site for info.

    Looks to me like this one.

    Redbook Type: Wide Date, Low 8
    PCGS Number: 6888, Series 49, Coin #7A
    Identification Points:
    Obverse date style and missing top curl in Liberty's hair
    Variety
    BB-190, B-10
    Rarity 2



  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Andy: There are some really great Bust Dollar experts lurking around this forum who can provide you with expert info.

    They have been really helpful to me in the past and hopefully they will see this thread and will provide you with some guidance.

    I know that if the words "Bust Dollar" were in the thread subject line it would catch their attention...

    Good Luck!

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't have graded that Fine, personally, but it's certainly pretty close. I agree with you that the revese looks VG-ish. But I am no specialist on these, either, and I have only ever owned one of them.
    Hmm. Come to think of it, I bought it raw as a Fine. It came back VG, but I didn't weep too loudly because I think I only had VG money in it.


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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Here is mine was anacs F15 now pcgs F12.

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  • Thank you all. Placid, that Early Dollar site is great! Also, thanks for the picture of yours. Mine seems similar. From looking at the pictures on the Early dollar site, mine looks like a wide date low 8 variety.


    We are finite beings, limited in all our powers, and, hence, our conclusions are not only relative, but they should ever be held subject to correction. Positive assurance is unattainable. The dogmatist is the only one who claims to possess absolute certainty.

    First POTD 9/19/05!!

  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even if the coin is a bit weak for a Fine, it has great surfaces and original color.

    Buy it. You dont often get guarantees...
  • numobrinumobri Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭

    OK,i'll agree with the 190 and B-10

    I think if your friend is going to make up the differents if it doesn't slab right,it's an ok deal.

    I will say that i don't like the color(could be the pic).From the pic.it looks ATed,why? To cover a cleaning?

    jmo.

    I own a 191(same obv.)different rev.(americai rev) in F15.

    Early dollars are cool.



    NUMO
  • The dealer said he will guarantee the grade so really what do you have to lose?

    About half the feathers are present on the reverse to make the fine grade even if the scroll is slightly weak and the obverse with half the hair detail showing looks to be a solid fine to me.

    As these coins were struck on a screw press that was not intended really to strike such a large coin often these coins are not very consistant in strike details and many will be lacking the detail on the high points such as the highest hair curls and parts of the scroll the stars and other parts of the design as well.

    This is where the grading expertise comes in but overall I think it has a good shot at fine.

    I wouldn't worry about the Bolender die number unless you were paying a premium for it.
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a very nice coin, probably VG10 at PCGS, Fine 12 or 15 anywhere else, and sounds like a good deal.

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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    at grades BELOW fine, your safest best is to grade these by dentilation & surface quality. i'd call yours vg+. really, you shouldn't care about a plastic grade or grading guarantee, take the coin & run w/ it. it's a distinctly problem-free looking coin at vg. better to just enjoy it, & not be so danged tied up by what it "grades"

    K S

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