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Is the 1870-s $3 gold the rarest business strike coin?

PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
Mintage:Circulation strikes: 1 known, possibly 2 struck, Proofs: 0


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  • 1933 Saint Gaudens?
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Yes, the 1870-S $3.00 is the rarest possible US coin with only one known.

    dragon

    edited to add: So when you see eleven XF's and one AU on the pop. reports, you'll know that some person walked the coin through enough times at $100.00 a crack and finally got his 'bump', LOL
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Is there a story with this coin? Did the mint just work really slow back then?
  • JohnZJohnZ Posts: 1,732
    Possibly yes. It's entirely likely that there are more 33 Saints floating around in private collections.

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Yes, there is a very interesting story with this coin actually. If you'd like to know all about it, look at Bowers superb book "United States Gold Coins An Illustrated History"

    dragon
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Ok thanks.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    1849 double eagle?
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1933 Saint Gaudens? >>

    The Smithsonian has one, as does at least one collector who paid $7.59 million... therefore, it's not as rare image
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭


    << <i>1849 double eagle? >>



    Those two are proofs.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    1895 morgan dollar business strike? I'd say it is so rare that no one has one. image
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I found a online story.

    Last sold at public auction in October 1982 for $687,500 by Bowers and Ruddy as part of the Louis E. Eliasberg gold portion. Edgar H. Adams, a prolific numismatic writer of his time, wrote: "Only one specimen of this coin is known, this being now in the possession of a well-known New York collector. It is said that the dies were used by a coiner of the San Francisco Mint to strike two specimens in 1870. One of those was placed in a cornerstone of a public building of that city. The mint records do not mention the issue of a coin of this denomination and letter".
    A few years later, Adams and well-known coin collector, William H. Woodin of New York, would co-author a book, United States Pattern, Trial and Experimental Pieces. Only one 1870-S $3 Gold Piece has ever been accounted for, making one wonder if another really does exist in some "cornerstone of public building" in San Francisco or anywhere for that matter. Funny thing is though, that Adams and Woodin were apparently good friends and Woodin owned this specimen when Adams wrote that the mint records indicated two specimens were struck.

    In fact, the records show only one being struck and placed in the cornerstone of the new San Francisco Mint building (which would open up for business four years later). Do you suppose maybe that Woodin didn't want to cause any unnecessary public arousal that he in fact owned the only specimen?

    In public auction, the 1870-S $3 brought $1,450 in 1911 when purchased by Waldo C. Newcomer. Subsequent to trading hands a few more times it found a home in the great collection formed by Louis Eliasberg.
  • JohnZJohnZ Posts: 1,732
    Do you suppose maybe that Woodin didn't want to cause any unnecessary public arousal that he in fact owned the only specimen?

    Maybe, but lets go tear down San Fransisco just to be sure. image

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  • I believe there is also a 1798 eagle with small eagle reverse that is known by a single specimen, and then there are the 1873-S no arrows half dollar and 1873-S standard dollar which were struck but today unknown in any collection. and the 1870-S half dime which is a business strike with no recorded mintage yet known by a single piece. Possibly the ultimate would be an 1870-S quarter dollar. No reported mintage and none reported today yet this is the ONLY 1870-S issue not known today. Until the 1980's there were two 70-S issues unknown, then the half dime showed up. Is there still a quarter out there waiting to be found? After all, the story goes that a complete set of all of the denominations was placed in the cornerstone.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    THE 1870-S $3 is in the Bass collection at ANA in Colorado Springs. Nice coin: ex jewelry, polished, grafitti.
    Interesting to note that there can only be one complete set of $3 gold at a time.

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  • There is one 1933 20$ in the ocean.
    One sold for 7,590,020$ for a private collector.
    Two is in the Smithsonian.
    And there are an estimated 3-6 elsewhere.

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