Well, looks like he finally did it...Tonecoin2003 got the colors right on...a sad day indeed.

uofa1285 · September 19, 2003 12:45PM

Link to a Sad Day...

Doug

Bear · September 19, 2003 12:47PM

Naa, I still dont like the color.

airplanenut · September 19, 2003 12:47PM

While I won't touch his stuff with a 10-foot pole, there is still the chance that he gets an occasional real one slabbed (obviously, non-PCI would have looked better) to make his other coins seem real...

Jeremy

uofa1285 · September 19, 2003 12:49PM

<< While I won't touch his stuff with a 10-foot pole, there is still the chance that he gets an occasional real one slabbed (obviously, non-PCI would have looked better) to make his other coins seem real...

Jeremy >>

I hope very much you are right, Jeremy...but I fear the worst!

Doug

gsaguy · September 19, 2003 12:50PM

That one looks good to me.

GSAGUY

roadrunner · September 19, 2003 12:55PM

The photos are poor so what difference does it matter? I would assume the coin is problematic and bid accordingly.

roadrunner

uofa1285 · September 19, 2003 12:59PM

<< That one looks good to me.

GSAGUY >>

Bryan,

That's precisely the problem...it is about 98% real looking. I can barely tell the difference between NT and AT on this one...

Doug

Russ · September 19, 2003 12:59PM

That looks like bag toning. I'm not sure I've ever seen a 1904-O with bag toning. It also, at least to my inexperienced eye, looks like it has far too much green and not enough gold.

Russ, NCNE

gsaguy · September 19, 2003 1:02PM

If that's his work, then based on that pic, he has indeed come of age.

GSAGUY

uofa1285 · September 19, 2003 1:03PM

<< That looks like bag toning. I'm not sure I've ever seen a 1904-O with bag toning. It also, at least to my inexperienced eye, looks like it has far too much green and not enough gold.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ,

Also, the green appears to mix in unnaturally with a teal, but very discretely. Also, the red on the rims seems to float a bit in its transition to the tealish-green area...all in all, AT but way too close to getting it right.

Doug

Russ · September 19, 2003 1:07PM

It's tempting to buy this one, crack it out and see what PCGS or NGC think about it. PCI is no judge since they had no problem holdering his earlier work that a child could see was bogus.

Russ, NCNE

wolfwing76 · September 19, 2003 1:08PM

Are you guys trying to say that this may not be a natural tone? How can you tell a natural from an artificial?

gsaguy · September 19, 2003 1:09PM

Speaking from experience, I've seen HUNDREDS of 0-mint coins with that color pattern over the last 20 years. I can't say I specifically remember 04-O's with that look, but 83-O's, 84-O's, and 85-O's and possibly even 87-P's I've seen with virtually identical colors and patterns.

GSAGUY

wolfwing76 · September 19, 2003 1:12PM

I started collecting about 6 months ago. I have ALOT to learn.

Russ · September 19, 2003 1:12PM

Bryan,

Even in my very short time at this, I've seen plenty of 83-O through 85-O with similar toning. They actually seem to be quite common. I just hadn't seen the 1904-O like this. But, he has two other 1904-O's listed right now, both PCGS graded. Neither as vivid as the PCI coin, though.

Russ, NCNE

sinin1 · September 19, 2003 1:15PM

That one is one of the models he bought - I am fairly positive he did not make that one

raycyca · September 19, 2003 1:19PM

What I don't understand is: how come only until recently, he had a 100% positive feedback rating? Are there many people are that are oblivious to what a real toned coin looks like? Ray

Placid · September 19, 2003 1:19PM

The seller claims he dosen't know much about coins.

Russ · September 19, 2003 1:19PM

Here's an 84-O that I owned very briefly until Jason snatched it away from me:

Comparing the colors on the coin in the auction to this one, the auction coin just doesn't seem right to me. But, again, my eye is very inexperienced.

Russ, NCNE

gsaguy · September 19, 2003 1:21PM

Bag-toned 04-O's wouldn't be common, that's for sure. And when encountered, they'd probably not look this good on average.

I've looked at the pics several times and the greens and reddish colors don't scare me......but that's not with the coin in hand. I may form a completely different opinion with the coin in-hand and under the right lighting.

I'm just shooting straight with you guys.

One thing it appears this guy has done over the last few months is to purchase pieces that look a lot like what he's trying to duplicate. Why? One reason is to have some examples in hand for reference purposes and the other is to perhaps lull the unexpecting newbie that is looking over his auctions into confusing the real thing with his work.

GSAGUY

stujoe · September 19, 2003 1:47PM

<< (obviously, non-PCI would have looked better) >>

Yep. PCI=RAW

fountainheadgold · September 19, 2003 1:53PM

I'm no t an expert but I beleive this coin is right

fountainheadgold · September 19, 2003 1:56PM

The colors are right, good seperation i may bid

Deadhorse · September 19, 2003 2:39PM

For what it's worth, I bought a very nice textile toned 83 O in an NGC at 62. Great colors and bag effects, I know he didn't make that one.

I bought it because the price was way too low for a coin like that. His reputation has scared alot of people off.

Just a thought here, but perhaps people who aren't collectors sell him toned coins they may have gotten through various means.

I have bought 4 or 5 of his coins, a couple I knew good and well were AT, others I got great deals on. I will say one thing, he ships super fast and packages things better than most sellers.

Based on the pictures, I'd go with that one being the real deal. Might feel different if I had it in hand, but his pictures have been right on as far as coloration.

GAT · September 19, 2003 4:37PM

This seller has received one negative and five neutral feedbacks the past two weeks that all state the coins are ATed. Having watched his auctions for awhile, I believe that every so often he sells a NTed coin to throw people off. Being this coin is a gold PCI MS62 is enough warning for me to pass.

TONEDDOLLARS · September 19, 2003 10:34PM

Are not most if not all of his coins toned on both sides??? Isn't that from the heat (cooking). This coin is white on the other side. Tough to due cooking only one side. Just my thoughts after looking at this photo

jbsteven · September 19, 2003 10:43PM

<< Here's an 84-O that I owned very briefly until Jason snatched it away from me >>

like shooting fish in a barrel

nwcs · September 19, 2003 10:56PM

The picture's toning looks OK to me. But the real coin's toning is anyone's guess until it's in-hand.

Outhaul · September 19, 2003 11:04PM

Sure am glad most of you guys are so good as to be able to determine AT from NT from such a crummy picture. Perhaps your decision is clouded by this guys track record? Or maybe the plastic it's in is where the bias lies. What about the similiarly toned Morgan he has for sale in a PCGS holder? Oh wait...it's in a PCGS holder...WHAT was I THINKING?!?!

I agree with Neil.

Cheers,

Bob

bushmaster8 · September 19, 2003 11:17PM

I too think this is not one he "did". I dont recall any other one-sided toners from him-always both sides.

Back when his food was 100% positive- I gave him his 1st neg-food along with a "fake tone" comment. He then immediately changed his ebay identity .

Well, looks like he finally did it...Tonecoin2003 got the colors right on...a sad day indeed.

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