When you send in coins to "cross"

Peaceman · September 17, 2003 5:16AM

say from NGC to PCGS.... do you send pcgs the entire NGC slab for them to crack it out?

Placid · September 17, 2003 5:16AM

No just the label

Peaceman · September 17, 2003 5:20AM

So, you'd crack out the coin and send the now raw coin to PCGS with the NGC label attached to it?

foodude · September 17, 2003 5:22AM

No, I think he was kidding you. For crossover you need to send the coin to PCGS in the slab; in your case the NGC slab. If you cracked it, it would be treated as raw.

Placid · September 17, 2003 5:23AM

Yes you send the whole slab intact. How else would you do it?

Means kidding.

It would be fun to see the look on the persons face at pcgs that opens the package and finds ngc labels in flips with the form filled out for crossover.

Peaceman · September 17, 2003 5:34AM

I've never done it so I'm not sure what PCGS wants.... So... now the ultimate question (PLEASE LISTEN PCGS)

If people send in other slabs to PCGS and PCGS doesn't cross them and sends them back to you in their original holder, does PCGS keep track of this information?

Wouldn't it be great to go to PCGS.com's site and look up a competitor's slab number to see if it was already submittted.... If you knew ahead of time that it didn't cross, you'd most likely not purchase it as it would be considered overgraded if you collect PCGS only.

Think about a $ 5,000 coin in a NGC holder that's $ 6,000 in a PCGS holder (I know buy the coin, not...blah blah) just because of the PCGS marketibility. Knowing that it was already submitted to cross and didn't would be such a benifit to the buyer.....

Steve27 · September 17, 2003 5:56AM

"If people send in other slabs to PCGS and PCGS doesn't cross them and sends them back to you in their original holder, does PCGS keep track of this information? "

I doubt it, and if they do , they don't share it.

Bochiman · September 17, 2003 6:39AM

Peaceman,

What you are asking for is from the customer's standpoint (save money, know that the coin has already been submitted for a crossover and didn't make it in the grade, etc). From a business standpoint, why would they want to make that available?
PCGS doesn't make money from what someone sells the coin for. They make money when people submit.

So, your suggestion is meant twofold, from what I can see....
1) If the coin has already been attempted at a crossover, and didn't make it, then we know the coin isn't likely to be there, so buy it for what it is, not what you hope you see in it.
2) The coin has already been attempted, so don't bother trying to resubmit it over and over.....save your money.

I don't see anything compelling for PCGS on this....

coltgus · September 17, 2003 6:41AM

My friends and I have pretty well concluded that trying to cross $1000 + coins is pretty much hopeless unless the coin is a knockout for the grade. I think the reason is it may have already been tried on a lot of these coins. I have NEVER had one cross. Friends who are dealers have given up. Assume what you said is true, that a $5000 coin would be worth $6000 in a PCGS holder, then if they would cross everyone would do it. I have had some success sending PCGS coins IN THE HOLDER for regrade. Once I had a 1910-S $10 Indian go from MS61 to MS63 !

Peaceman · September 17, 2003 7:03AM

Bochiman,

"A" thinkers and companies (or people) who don't "think out of the box" are those who are in it just for the almightly dollar and put the customer last. They will NEVER be the leader in their industry. Heck, NGC doesn't even allow free certification verification on their site. Do you REALLY think this is wise for them? How many times have you used PCGS's verification? Why? PCGS didn't HAVE to give you that information, heck, they make no money at it....... o, you like it... because it's free huh....and it's a great service huh....

It's all about "customer satisfaction" and giving people what they want. Great companies who are leaders in their industry are there for a REASON. The customer.....

Does PCGS make any money if they gave us this service... NO... would they win more customers over by providing this type of information to us for free.... you bet.... and in the long run, they'd make more money by continuing to strive to be the best in the industry. The company that sits and waits to see how much more money they can make by limiting services will ultimately go out of business.....

joeyuk · September 17, 2003 7:18AM

If you did collect pcgs only, would there be any advantage to sending it in for crossover as opposed to raw. At least raw you know it will come back pcgs or a bodybag.

Russ · September 17, 2003 7:31AM

Standard PCGS crossover procedure:

Step 1. Submit coin for crossover in other services holder and it comes back DNC.

Step 2. Crack coin out, re-submit raw and it gets holdered by PCGS at the grade you thought it would during step 1.

Russ, NCNE

jeffnpcb · September 17, 2003 7:31AM

Don't do it!! What ever it is it will either DNC or drop 2 points. If it is an UCam, it will come back as a Cam. I wouldn't do it unless a registry issue was at hand!

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