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A perfect example of buying the coin, NOT the holder....black and white cameo!
SeattleSlammer
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I just like sharing. Got this one recently from Don (ebay seller donr99). He always has the BEST dmpl dollars for sale, as the contrast on this one can attest. Love those true black and white cameos! Liked it so much I had to overlook the PCI holder.... Anyone else have some nice cameo Morgans to share?
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OK, no offense, but the scan sucks! I can see the frost, but the coin looks very hazy to me... DIP THE SUCKER!!!
that's a tendancy with DMPL's, to appear hazed over. while this one may be hazy it has nice frost and i'd bet deep mirrors. but hey, aside from that it's in a gold PCI holder so you'd better jump all over the coin as a piece of crap, right?? after all...............
nice lookin' coin slammer!!
al h.
i would offer this as a comparison. while the mirrors are clearer than slammer's picture, they still appear hazy. they are in fact comparable to a modern proof. they just highlight any planchet flaws or bag marks.
<< <i>Anyone else have some nice cameo Morgans to share? >>
As it so happens, I just finished imaging one:
Still in the original GSA slab.
Russ, NCNE
Morgans anyone??
probably a mistake, but one that just occurs less often.
al h.
Can it be dipped out?
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Russ, NCNE
A) Like most DMPL Morgans, that piece has already been dipped at least once, it's easy to see from that pic
C) That is not haze you see in the fields, it's what happens when people think they need to dip and re-dip DMPL dollars over and over to improve them. It diminishes the mirrors a bit each time it's dipped, and brings out a mirror/frost area in the fields which is sometimes confused with haze
dragon
Thanks for the extra cameo pics.....love 'em!
Russ, I'm not sure what that means, but I can tell you that when that 84-O came off the dies in 1884, it probably resembled a modern proof coin,,,,however over 100 years and Jeweluster have taken it's toll on the fields of that piece which is why it appears there are areas of frost in the fields which were not there when it was minted, that is actually the Jeweluster attacking the mirrors. See the areas around stars number 2-4 on the obverse and around 'A' and 'R' on the reverse, that is not haze, it's the result of dipping, and if that piece were dipped a few more times, those areas of frost will appear even more in the fields as they attack the reflectivity. Fortunately, that coin started out as a very deep mirror coin, so it still qualifies as an easy DMPL. Also, some DMPL's appear to have frost in the fields depending on how the coin is tilted and the light hits it.
dragon
to say that coin is DMPL all day without actually seeing the coin (not a photograph in a slab)
is only fooling yourself
you should have titled this thread - buying a picture of a coin (and hoping the coin meets my expectations)
it looks to me as if there is enough cloudiness in the fields to make deep reflections difficult
I hope you get the coin you want, but you should realize if you are going to crack it out it may comeback PL from another service
enjoy your new purchase...me likely. You asked for others so although it's posted before here another look.
<< <i><<<It looks more like field frost to me, which is a natural part of the minting process.>>>
Russ, I'm not sure what that means, but I can tell you that when that 84-O came off the dies in 1884, it probably resembled a modern proof coin...however over 100 years and Jeweluster have taken it's toll on the fields of that piece which is why it appears there are areas of frost in the fields which were not there when it was minted >>
Dragon,
Modern proof coins, prior to 1971, frequently have field frost. Less so, since 1971. It is microscopic little eensy teensy breaks in the mirroring in the fields. Clustered, they look "frosty".
While dipping can create it, a coin does not have to be dipped for it to happen. It can happen quite naturally during the minting process. See the 83-CC I just posted above. It has some field frost, and it's still sealed in the GSA holder. Did the government dip them before distribution?
Russ, NCNE
I can tell you from knowing the seller of this coin that it will be a true DMPL when it arrives. He is very strict about the DMPL pieces he deals in. His coins are top notch, and usually command substantial premiums over the usual DMPL's you see slabbed. And they deserve those premiums.
I agree that it is easy to get even barely PL coins to look DMPL in pictures. But, again, that is not the case here. If I am wrong, I promise I'll even come on here and let you know about it.
Cheers
The natural mint caused frost extending into the fields found primarily on some exceptional Carson City DMPL coins, also called the 'halo effect' is completely different than what I was referring to and has a different look to it. It is also usually seen extending outward from the devices above the eagles head, surrounding the leg feathers, and around the periphery of Ms. Libertys face and below the cap. Obviously this is a completely different effect than overdipping a DMPL dollar until one starts to destroy the reflectivity in the fields, the halo effect found on some CC dollars is considered to be a positive attribute to the coin.
dragon
<< <i>The natural mint caused frost extending into the fields found primarily on some exceptional Carson City DMPL coins, also called the 'halo effect' is completely different than what I was referring to and has a different look to it. >>
Dragon,
Then I guess the one I posted is extra special, since the "halo" extends all the way out to the periphery in some areas. Look around the date on the obverse, for example. That's mint frost. I don't pretend to have anywhere near the experience with Morgans that you do, but I do know a little bit about proof coins. If, as you say, a DMPL came from the mint looking like a modern proof, than it certainly can have the same mint created field frost as one, and it has absolutely nothing to do with dipping.
Russ, NCNE
OH MAN-O-MAN.... she's a beaut!
I wish I could afford such incredible lovliness.
Thanks Russ - for sharing her - even for so brief a time. It was heavenly.
But on the flip side I have seen some not so pretty DMPL he has. Not every coin any dealer has is going to be a winner.
Case in point... about 2 years ago he had a DMPL CC Morgan in NGC 66. I felt the coin had way too much chatter for 66, had nice cameo black and white etc. etc. Some other people thought the coin was fine including the seller. Well I stuck to my guns and passed on the coin.
I believe he still has it in inventory to this day.
The 83-CC dollar that you posted does not have the halo effect I was referring to from what I can see in that pic, and I would post pics of a couple to show you what I I was trying to explain to everyone,,,, if I could get my scanner to work.
Close up of "halo." (Pic is a scan of the 82-cc in Miller's book).
Kyle
Cool, that's the very rare "split-screen" variety.
Russ, NCNE
It's the computer-illiterate-kyle-can't-work-scanner variety.