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PCGS Xover grades just in...huh????

Crossover grades just in for two coins: the first, "Artificial Color" on an 1895-O quarter; O.K., I can accept that, I suppose.

But the second was listed, simply, "DNC". Yet for both coins I checked off the "Any" box for minimum crossover grade. What gives?

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  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you give us more info...what holder was the coin in to start? sounds like the coin had something that made pcgs feel it was not worthy to be in a pcgs holder....
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Means they would have bodybagged if raw. They should have a sticker with a reason when you get them back.
  • The 1895-O quarter was graded ANACS MS65. The DNC coin was a 1914 10c Barber slabbed MS66 by ACG.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    "The DNC coin was a 1914 10c Barber slabbed MS66 by ACG."

    There's your answer. Sorry about that.

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  • "There's your answer."

    What does that mean? Sure, friends don't let friends buy ACG slabs, but that doesn't mean it can't be considered for a crossover; if that was the case, the PCGS people at the table in Baltimore should never have accepted the coin.
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    If you want them to cross no matter what, write CROSS AT ANY GRADE on the invoice.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • BigD5BigD5 Posts: 3,433
    If they felt the first coin had been artificially colored, they won't slab it, and as for the second coin, they may have found something wrong with the coin, that wouldn't allow them to holder the coin at any grade. The second example does seem odd, and they may have read your invoice incorrectly, or you may have filled the form out incorrectly.
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  • No! MadMarty, BigD5, I have the yellow carbon of the invoice right in front of me, and I did indeed write "Any" in the "Min. Grade" column.

    I am suprised at the "artificially colored" judgement; I would think that if anyone had tried coloring this silver coin, it would have looked much better. And no matter how you slice it, the "DNC" designation on the other coin seems weird. PCGS could at least have claimed that the coin was was damaged, cleaned, had altered surfaces, whatever. It smacks of laziness.

    Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, too. image
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  • Doesn't sound right to me.

    I think that ANACS does a better job spoting AT coins than the other services. I think that PCGS is afraid of any high grade coin with neat toning (because of their grading guarantee). What do you think? Nice coin??

    On the ACG coin, what's your opinion of the coin? Original? Cleaned? I have bought (and still own) some coins that were ACG certified. Cracked them puppies out ASAP, but there are some decent ACG certified coins out there...you just gotta look far and wide.

    You are right about the thing that pcgs should have at least given you a heads-up if the things were not candidates for crossing.

    So, what did this whole thingy cost ya? $60??
  • How much did it cost? $72.50, including shipping.

    Of course, the coins cost much more; they were both from the March B&M auction in Baltimore: the ACG dime was Lot 1322 ("Brilliant, lustrous, and well worth having") and the ANACS quarter was Lot 1464 ("A satiny and richly toned gem...").

    Dime

    Quarter
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  • From the B&M auction? Are you serious? That's like getting slapped in the face....... image
  • Sounds about right! ANACS cant tell their a-ss from a hole in the ground, and we all know about ACG!
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No! MadMarty, BigD5, I have the yellow carbon of the invoice right in front of me, and I did indeed write "Any" in the "Min. Grade" column.

    I am suprised at the "artificially colored" judgement; I would think that if anyone had tried coloring this silver coin, it would have looked much better. And no matter how you slice it, the "DNC" designation on the other coin seems weird. PCGS could at least have claimed that the coin was was damaged, cleaned, had altered surfaces, whatever. It smacks of laziness.

    Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, too. image >>



    When the coin comes back it should have a red sticker on the dnc slab with the reason why it did not cross checked off or written on the sticker.

    They don't put cleaned-wizzed or stuff like that on the submission status page just dnc. Not sure why just the way my dnc's have always been for cross at any grade.

  • wallstreetman, what about the fact that both coins were described so wonderfully in the B&M auction catalog? Then he wins the coins and submits them the same day to a company that, like B&M, is part of the CU empire...PCGS...only to get 2 body bags??? Come on. This is total BS.

    Have you checked a hole in the ground lately? Maybe you are the one who's confused.
  • I didn't submit them the same day; I did so at the end of last month. Despite the "expanded crossover delay" claims, PCGS examined them in less than four weeks.
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  • ttt
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  • BigD5BigD5 Posts: 3,433
    Ok. The quarter doesn't look AT to me, but I would imagine an up close and personal viewing may change my mind. The coin does look "good" from the photo though. Ms/65? Too soft a strike, for me for that grade, but that wasn't the issue with the coin.
    Now, the dime from the B&M auction shows a raw coin which they graded ms/65. When did it become an ACG ms/66?
    Again, that point may not matter because you were looking for a crossover at any grade.
    Have you called PCGS? A phone call (if you actually get to talk to someone) may help answer your questions.

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  • jeffnpcbjeffnpcb Posts: 1,943
    I feel your pain and now I don't trust any of the grading companies after my last submission, which I won't post because I would be banned! Overworked and under pressure, 15 seconds per coin and low grades and a BB, I just don't trust any company.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No! MadMarty, BigD5, I have the yellow carbon of the invoice right in front of me, and I did indeed write "Any" in the "Min. Grade" column. >>



    Fountainhead,

    What Marty was saying is that, sadly, PCGS frequently pays little attention to that box and that you need to write across the invoice in big letters CROSS AT ANY GRADE."

    Russ, NCNE

  • LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    ACG-- American Council of GoofballGrading. Take off 30 points from the ACG grade for starters, if it will slab at all.
    DSW
  • the dime from the B&M auction shows a raw coin which they graded ms/65. When did it become an ACG ms/66?

    It became an ACG-slabbed MS66 when I looked at the actual lot. That's one of the advantages of lot viewings and floor bidding; you catch this sort of thing and can take advantage of it: B&M never mentioned in their catalog that the coin was ACG-slabbed.
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  • ttt
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  • HRH's comments about the 25c:

    Strange grading...


    HRH's comments about crossover grading at PCGS:

    Strange grading, continued....

    Me, if I had known that the announced post-April 1st policy of commenting on reject crossovers had been suspended, I would have delayed submitting my coins! I don't see a notice about it on the website!
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  • Got the coins back today, with stickers on the back of their submitted holders: "questionable toning" ("A satiny and richly toned gem...") for the quarter and "altered surfaces" for the dime! ("Brilliant, lustrous, and well worth having")

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Barber dime is very pretty, and deserves better than an ACG holder.

    Sorry for you headaches- hope they get sorted out. What now? NGC? ANACS?

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Now you know why friends don't let friends buy ACG slabs image

    The AT thing like Mr. Hall said is somewhat subjective and others have had coins graded problem free by anacs be rejected by pcgs as AT.
  • The dime appears to have a problem in the field on the front . Hard to tell from the picture how severe. The quarter
    looks pretty nice to me.
    Rusty

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