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An interesting comparison of toned morgan pics, aka how deceptive images can be.

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
A while back I picked up an 1887 Morgan toner on eBay. Here's the image that appeared in the auction:

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Looks nice enough, but not much color separation or vibrancy.

Here's an image I shot that's unmolested and comes pretty close to reality:

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Looks much better now.

Here's the same image as above with just one simple trick that takes about two seconds to do:

Gamma adjustment:
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Saturation adjustment:
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NOTE: Edited to add a fourth image.

The moral being, of course, one that we've all heard a zillion times before: Images can be deceptive either to the good, or the bad.

Russ, NCNE

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    stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ, Your second pic looks like you just added a little saturation? Which imo if it makes it look more like the coin in hand it's ok. It's when they enhance just to make it look better in it's best light, that you need to get a stiff neck at the right angle to MAYBE see a glimpse of what the image is.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    ElectricEye,

    That's a perfect example of image manipulation that dramatically improves the appearance of the original coin. image

    Russ, NCNE
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ, Your second pic looks like you just added a little saturation? >>



    Stman,

    It's gamma adjustment. Here's one bumping the saturation:

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    I agree with you, though. If it's done simply to make the image as close as possible to reality, there's nothing wrong with it at all. The problem is that when abused it can also make the colors appear much richer and more vibrant than they actually are.

    Russ, NCNE
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    K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Hey Russ, you trying to give bondman a run for his money? image
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    KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723 ✭
    And what about RD, RB, BN thats an easy change. This took about 3 minutes. Its really a RB.
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    ElectricEye...I think you have some PVC issues to deal with, my man....
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    What program are you guys using? Photoshop?
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    KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723 ✭
    Why would you want to know? image I use photo shop BTW.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What program are you guys using? Photoshop? >>



    Photoshop is for rich dudes. I use a little program called Thumbs Plus that I bought about a zillion years ago for $65. I also use the free software that came with my scanner - it's called PhotoImpression.

    Russ, NCNE
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    KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723 ✭
    You can download Photoshop 7 on file and/or music downloading programs.
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    K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    I have both Photoshop and Micrografx, but I prefer Micrografx because it is much easier to use. Unfortunately Micrografx was bought out by Corel, so there will be no new releases of it.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You can download Photoshop 7 on file and/or music downloading programs. >>



    I prefer to actually pay for what I own, not steal it.

    Russ, NCNE
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    KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723 ✭
    Suit yourself. image
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    lavalava Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey Russ, you trying to give bondman a run for his money? image >>



    Too true, I learned the hard way that Bondman enhances his images.
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    K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    The samples Russ gave in over saturation and gamma adjustment are slight compared to bondman's just absolutely insane watercolors pretending to be images. I noticed he has picked up some more negatives and has gone private.

    I remember an 81-S Morgan he had that he obviously maxed out the blue on and claimed it was "Blue Blue Blue".. I actually saw that coin returned to him three times. Apparently it stuck on the fourth sucker... er I mean bidder.
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Russ, nice comparison. Whenever I've sold a coin through scans, I ALWAYS make sure I just adjust the scan enough to make it look like it does in person. With dmpl coins, this usually involves DECREASING the saturation levels as scans can make even the most non-cameo dmpl look very cameo.

    I think when some sellers stumble upon that saturation trick for their average color coins, they tend to get a wee bit overzealous...



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    Antiquated Adobe Photodeluxe 4.0, Micrographx for some issues PhotoDeluxe can't handle or my g/f does the work with Adobe PhotoShop 7.0... image Johnny, PVC enhances the luster...
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I usually save a picture to my pc then use photoshop and set it to auto adjust. If the picture has been altered it will usually change it to what it should look like.
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    YUK!
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    man, how'd you learn so much about photography?

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