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For you error collectors : 1968-S & S 1c Totally Separated New RPM!!!
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He says it's a 1968-S & S 1¢ CRPM-002 so it's a published variety, I was just wondering how newly discovered it is.
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I believe the seller has the coin misattributed. The reason it's "published" is because the seller is the one who published it. He believes he sees it so he calls the shot and others trust his judgement. Pretty simple.
Edited to add: Yes, it is a "new discovery" but simply because others have likely seen it, turned it in to the other attributors (with more experience) and were shot down with the same explanation I gave. Either that or others never turned it in because they saw it the same as I see it....not a die variety (RPM) at all.
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Coppercoins - thats a very good analysis and from what you say I won't be looking searching through my 1968 cents looking for it.
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<< <i>I believe the seller has the coin misattributed. The reason it's "published" is because the seller is the one who published it. He believes he sees it so he calls the shot and others trust his judgement. Pretty simple. >>
By my count there are at least six different people attributing Lincoln Cent die varieties right now, each with his own numbering system. It's not at all unusual for one of them to list a new vairety and for the some of the other gentlemen to disagree.
I'll give you a great example from my own personal history. In 1997 or so, I found four 1956-D cents in a roll with what I felt were totally separated repunched mintmarks, very similar to RPM#8, but with different die markers. I sent the coins to Ken Potter, and his verdict was "maybe, probably not," and he declined to list them. About six months later I was at a show where John Wexler was signing books. I gave him the same four coins, and he nearly jumped out of his shoes. He immediately listed the variety as WRPM-018 and featuerd the discovery in his Coin World Column.
Then as now, Ken and John would each have one column a month. Wouldn't you know, Ken's very next column featured a 1956-D/D separated mintmark, which Ken listed and called the third known variety. I wrote Ken and reminded him of my coins, and after some photo overlay study he determined that the coins were different stages of the same die. Yet to this day, presumably because an example hasn't been submitted for examination, CONECA hasn't listed the variety in their files.
It's all very confusing and hard to keep track of. Pretty soon a good cross-reference will be the size of a mid-sized metropolitan area phone book. I'm the CONECA Board member responsible for attribution services,and I barely have a handle on the situation at all - imagine a novice collector trying to make sense of it.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Something I find to be a bit confusing is that the information gathered from people's variety submissions seems to fall into a dark hole never to be seen in print....unless you happen to be a card carrying CONECA or NCADD member and have some way of storing all the back issues of the club magazine and happen to know which issue to go to in order to see information for a particular die - at best a bit messy for building an attribution guide to use at home. It seems odd to me that both organizations refused to have me, a member, build a web application for them that would allow people to attribute their own coins based on a collection of photographs of the die markers - an absolutely essential piece to the attribution puzzle. The books published in the past vaguely listed a few of the major markers, but none got close to the point that a person could utilize the books for much of anything more than a vague idea that a coin they held was of a specific die.
I offered my services to both clubs, and both responded in the negative - they didn't want their information published. Seems rather odd since I believed the whole PURPOSE of these clubs was to spread information. I must have been wrong about them, which is why I finally gave up on them and let my membership lapse. Anyhow, since neither of the clubs would work with me, I decided to go at it alone. It was a gutsy move to start a new attribution system, but it was the only choice I had without help from the clubs. I wasn't about to pay $5 per die to get the information I needed to use their systems. That would cost more than I spend on my own collection, and the publication would have been for them and the benefit of their members - why should I pay to do work for someone else? The end result was that I had to create my own information, my own site, and my own attribution system...and am now very glad I did. My collection, and those of the people who follow the site, are now in much better order than they ever were trying to follow the Jonses. The attribution system does not "belong" to someone, and there's no vain attempt to gain self-notariety by using my own initials in the system. It's a public system, useable by anyone, and is completely published on the site - the way I think things should be.
Anyone who wishes to visit the site is welcome, and anyone who has a die variety (for now only Lincoln cents) they wish to identify, I have full marker information and detailed photos of every die I've run across and had a chance to add to the site. Considering the eventual size of this project will be in the thousands of dies with over 60,000 photos of those dies, it will take a long time to finish the project - but when it is, it will be better than anything else out there....no? Take a look at the sites for the paid clubs NCADD and CONECA, then take a look at the free coppercoins.com and be the judge. If you have ever gone through the pain of trying to self-identify a die variety, you will be able to instantly see which is better.
So...that's why one of the die systems is out there, why the others are out there I'm not really sure - personal gain would be my best guess. That and their need for people to depend on their hands-on guidance to collect coins.
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