Russ, if you want to play the game it may be worth trying to cross the coin. If PCGS buys the color, it looks to be better than a 3. Let them see the coin in the new style [more stringent graded] NGC holder. That could help to convince a doubting PCGS grader that the color is acceptable. A couple of pretty knowledgable copper guys called it 65RB or better in this thread.
Cecil Total Copper Nutcase - African, British Ships, Channel Islands!!! 'Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup'
This coin has been net graded by NGC.In the business it is known as market acceptable.What this means is the coin was graded as though the purplish color is not present.If one looks at the coin with a 7x loup it may be possible to honestly grade the coin.When copper is toned only experience will tell where the coin may or may not have been.Envelope toning has many looks and colors but with experience it is possible to detect. IMO it is not possible to accurately grade this coin.Can you imagine if you pay PCGS $100 and they showed the graders images of your coin and graded it only on the image?
I think you got the lower grade because of weak strike and lack of luster
this beautiful penny is not showing as much leaf detail on the reverse or hair detail on the obverse that you need fro a MS65
I have a 1965 Kennedy in a PCGS slab with not a mark on it - the reverse is so weakly struck, I can not even tell the eagles head is an eagles head - PCGS called it MS64
Agree with Stew - while it's fun to make a wild-assed guess based on a picture, it's necessary to see the coin in person. I wouldn't take the guesses too seriously or as evidence that NGC is incompetent.
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Russ, if you want to play the game it may be worth trying to cross the coin. If PCGS buys the color, it looks to be better than a 3. Let them see the coin in the new style [more stringent graded] NGC holder. That could help to convince a doubting PCGS grader that the color is acceptable. A couple of pretty knowledgable copper guys called it 65RB or better in this thread.
EERC prices
63RB $75.
64RB $175.
65RB $300.
Total Copper Nutcase - African, British Ships, Channel Islands!!!
'Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup'
Yes, PCGS will show just how knowledgable everyone is on IHCs, including myself!
This coin has been net graded by NGC.In the business it is known as market acceptable.What this means is the coin was graded as though the purplish color is not present.If one looks at the coin with a 7x loup it may be possible to honestly grade the coin.When copper is toned only experience will tell where the coin may or may not have been.Envelope toning has many looks and colors but with experience it is possible to detect.
IMO it is not possible to accurately grade this coin.Can you imagine if you pay PCGS $100 and they showed the graders images of your coin and graded it only on the image?
Stewart
this beautiful penny is not showing as much leaf detail on the reverse or hair detail on the obverse that you need fro a MS65
I have a 1965 Kennedy in a PCGS slab with not a mark on it - the reverse is so weakly struck, I can not even tell the eagles head is an eagles head - PCGS called it MS64
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