Types of Toning?

lablover · July 8, 2003 10:08AM

I'm curious about the various types of toning found. Mostly on Morgan's. I can only think of these, what am I missing?
Mint Bag
Textile
Album
End Roll
Envelope (thanks to Russ)
Target, Tab, Mottled (thank you Frank & TonedDollars)
Mint Set (thanks fudude)
Wayte Raymond (thanks airplanenut)
Tissue (thank you coinlieutenant)
Monochromatic (thanks to matteproof)

MadMarty · July 8, 2003 10:09AM

Sulphur, blow torch and potatos!

Russ · July 8, 2003 10:10AM

Envelope comes to mind.

Russ, NCNE

lablover · July 8, 2003 10:12AM

<< Sulphur, blow torch and potatos! >>

Thanks. Guess I should have qualified that question to natural, non man made. But, I'll add these with a foot note.

FC57Coins · July 8, 2003 10:13AM

There's also target, tab, and mottled

TONEDDOLLARS · July 8, 2003 10:13AM

Target toning from albums

lablover · July 8, 2003 10:19AM

<< There's also target, tab, and mottled >>

Frank:
Can you explain "target" toning for me or, have an example. How does this occur? How is "tab" different?
Thanks,
Jim

<< Target toning from albums >>

Thank you TonedDollars

airplanenut · July 8, 2003 10:22AM

Wayte Raymond toning

foodude · July 8, 2003 10:25AM

Mint set

lablover · July 8, 2003 10:32AM

<< Wayte Raymond toning >>

airplanenut:
Would this be different than album toning?

Russ · July 8, 2003 10:38AM

<< << Wayte Raymond toning >>

airplanenut:
Would this be different than album toning? >>

Technically, yes. But, it's a special and sought after toning that probably deserves it's own category.

Russ, NCNE

coinlieutenant · July 8, 2003 10:38AM

What about tissue toning? Anybody say that one yet?

Tab toning comes from the holder that some coins, especially commems were housed in.

John

matteproof · July 8, 2003 10:41AM

Monochromatic. Nice, true examples are tough. matteproof

lablover · July 8, 2003 10:47AM

<< What about tissue toning? Anybody say that one yet? >>

Like Kleenex or the "Other" stuff?

WWW · July 8, 2003 10:48AM

End roll toning.

oops...someone did that already....

How about Benson toned? Or was that pure marketing hype?

foodude · July 8, 2003 10:53AM

Crescent toning, a form of mint bag toning

TONEDDOLLARS · July 8, 2003 10:54AM

Target toning is from storage in albums for a long time. A picture is worth a thousand words.

lablover · July 8, 2003 11:02AM

<< Target toning is from storage in albums for a long time. A picture is worth a thousand words. >>

Thanks TonedDollars for the image.

Jim

gsaguy · July 8, 2003 11:17AM

Good post Lablover.

For Morgans, I believe that there are three basic TYPES of toning, in other words, sources:

1) Mint Bag
2) Album/Envelope
3) End roll

I lump album and envelope together because in some cases, I find it very difficult to differentiate between the two. The other two types are much easier to discern in general.

From there, any number of toning Patterns come to mind:

1) Rainbow - actual bands of color
2) Target or bull's eye
3) Textile
4) Monochromatic (single color)
5) Polychromatic (mixed colors, but not banded)
6) Crescent

Etc, etc.

GSAGUY

lablover · July 8, 2003 11:29AM

GSAguy (Brian)
Thank's, I just knew you were out there and would chime in. Do you have some examples of the various types in your horde of Morgan's you would be willing to share?
Jim

coinguy1 · July 8, 2003 11:34AM

Some Classic Silver Commemoratives were mailed in holders which imparted toning to the coins. "Tab toning" is one of the expressions used to describe some of the toning patterns. (Edited to add: These "tab toning"patterns occurred when portions of the coins covered by the cardboard tabs toned in a particular pattern, usually in different colors, compared to the exposed surfaces of the coins.

Some original proof set coins from the 30's and 40's were inside cellophane, which accounts for some of the toning on those pieces.

Coins which were stored in old coin cabinets often display toning on one side and not the other - I suppose it would be accurate to refer to them as "cabinet toned" or something like that.

And, there is what I would call "Redfield toning" or "Redfield peach toning".

Quoted from www.fastcoin.com:

"Redfield did not seem to take any special precautions about storing his loot. It seems that he just threw the bags into the basement. He was known to sell some of the bags to Coin Dealers but only after he got the price he wanted. He apparently also hoarded food, especially cases of peaches. Some of these cases leaked so if you ever see a Silver Dollar that has what looks like peach stains, it could very well be one of the Redfield Hoard."

gsaguy · July 8, 2003 11:38AM

<<Do you have some examples of the various types in your horde of Morgan's you would be willing to share>>

Actually Lablove, because I was so often quizzed about this subject at shows, I decided to put together a large Capital Plastics board that displays each toning TYPE and each PATTERN. I didn't include the crescent pattern because it's pretty much self-explanatory.

I need to send that board to Russ or one of our other forum members who's good with the scanner to get each coin imaged so I can post them.

PM me and I can arrange to send you your own board if you'd like to buy one to put together a set.

GSAGUY

lablover · July 8, 2003 11:45AM

coinguy1:
My thank's Mark for the imparting of your knowledge. I just love this board. You guy's are super!!!

Jim

Newkid · July 8, 2003 2:38PM

I saw the capital plastics display in your showcase at the FUN show. VERY IMPRESSIVE

FrattLaw · July 8, 2003 4:27PM

Hey Mark can you describe the "peach" toning on Redfields. I just picked up a toned 1924-S Peace $ in a Paramount holder that is toned. The reverse has rainbow effect around the rim and the eagle and Miss Liberty both are toned in light peace, green and red.

Would this qualify as "peach" toning.

Thanks
Michael

FC57Coins · July 8, 2003 8:09PM

Jim - How could I resist posting a target toned dollar for you??

coinguy1 · July 8, 2003 9:08PM

Frank, while it's a great looking coin, I think the 1882-S dollar you posted is NOT properly called "target toned".

I believe "target toned" is a pattern of different colors in concentric arcs/circles over at least much of the coin, that literally gives the appearance of an archery target/pattern.

I might be mistaken (but I think not).

lablover · July 8, 2003 10:06PM

<< Jim - How could I resist posting a target toned dollar for you?? >>

Frank: You da MAN!!! Thanks so much.
Jim

FC57Coins · July 8, 2003 10:33PM

<< Frank, while it's a great looking coin, I think the 1882-S dollar you posted is NOT properly called "target toned". >>

Ah - so ya wanna fight huh????

Actually sir - I'll call you sir out of respect for the elderly (ie: crochety

) I believe that if we're going to get technical about this... you might be correct. Generally speaking target toning refers to different colored concentric patterns ending in a center which makes the whole coin look like a target...Alas, my coin only has a dark circle of blue, which fades to a lighter circle, which fades to white, so one has to use a little imagination - sigh - I feel sooooooooooooo worthless!!

(CAN YOU TELL I LOVE GIVING MARKY GRIEF???

)

Thanks for your observations Mark - It's always good to get the right answer out and make the learning experience all the more worthwhile!

Frank

Newkid · July 9, 2003 12:52AM

I think the term we are looking for here is "peripheral"

Example of a target toned reverse.

fivecents · July 9, 2003 1:08AM

What about the older "no line" NGC holder toning?

I have several coins that have dramatic peripheral toning due to the NGC label toning the coin. That is why NGC placed a seperation line between the label and the coin.

Paul

WWW · July 9, 2003 1:21AM

Target tone should look more like this, IMHO.

gsaguy · July 9, 2003 1:45AM

Hold your ground Frank, that bright white device sure makes a great target to me.........or at least a big, beautiful bull's eye!

GSAGUY

WWW....THAT's a beaut!

lablover · July 9, 2003 1:48AM

WWW
That's a terriffic looking Lincoln. Cool color!!! Thanks
Jim

ArtR · July 9, 2003 4:29AM

I just remembered that Gsaguy sent me these a few months back.

FC57Coins · July 9, 2003 4:44AM

Gorgeous set ArtR - I'll have to post mine this weekend

ArtR · July 9, 2003 4:50AM

Frank:
I don't own these. It is one of Gsaguy's display sets.

Russ · July 9, 2003 5:03AM

<< Hey Mark can you describe the "peach" toning on Redfields. >>

Michael,

This is a Redfield dollar:

Russ, NCNE

NumisEd · July 9, 2003 5:09AM

Russ, have you submitted your toned AU-58 P/L (bwuah!) 1881-S Morgan to PCGS yet?

Russ · July 9, 2003 5:13AM

<< Russ, have you submitted your toned AU-58 P/L (bwuah!) 1881-S Morgan to PCGS yet? >>

Yes, Eddie, I did. I sent it express and it's already been graded - MS65DMPL.

Russ, NCNE

NumisEd · July 9, 2003 6:07AM

Yes, Eddie, I did. I sent it express and it's already been graded - MS65DMPL.

MS65DMPL??? Russ, I did not know that ACG had an express service. Ya should have told me that!

MS65DMPL >>>>>>>

Louis · July 9, 2003 6:13AM

What type of toning would this be?

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