OTish--Where did scamcrook's second neg come from?
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Inquiring minds want to know, but can't pull up the auction! (I didn't know you could make an auction number private).
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It came from the recent auction discussed here regarding the 89-CC Morgan replica, which this seller artfully dodged the issues of whether it was a replica or not. Kudos to scamcrook, he saved someone some money. Unfortunately, this seller is clueless, going to call the police???
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- The auction title says "1889-CC Blazing Morgan" - it is not a Morgan dollar.
- The auction is listed in the category for Morgan dollars, when it is not a Morgan dollar.
- The auction says "1889-CC CHOICE TOP GRADE MORGAN" - it is not a Morgan dollar.
- It says "NICE FIND IN THIS CONDITION" - now that's just ridiculous. Every one of these repros are in the same condition.
- It says "FROM NATIONAL COLLECTORS MINT". Now you and I both know what that means, but it certainly doesn't say "reproduction".
Isn't it reasonable that people could assume the "National Collectors Mint" might be the dealer from whom seller bought the item originally? Then the seller goes on about his collection of CC Morgans which is only mentioned to keep you thinking this item is a CC Morgan.
The weasel disclaimer at the bottom (Note: Morgan Dollars weight .78oz ..... This weighs 1.0 oz) is extremely weak.
If I bought one of these repros from Silvertowne, and ran the exact same auction except I say "I got this from Silvertowne, one of the largest coin dealers in the Midwest", would that be OK? Isn't the fact that people are paying hundreds of dollars for these prima facie evidence that people are being misled?
These auctions sicken me because they are carefully crafted to extract hundreds of dollars from buyers who are getting a 1 oz. silver round worth a few dollars. Please don't try to defend this.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
Yep, I did, and I think that says it all.
As for my opinion on the auction (seeing as I missed the last thread) is that it was designed to fool, not everyone, but just enough people to get a few bids out of line with reality. Not everyone reading these auctions has English for a primary language, or a very high reading proficiency.
IMO if you are selling a reproduction/copy/whatever it should be CLEARLY stated, in the listing title no less.
Not only that, I find it most interesting that so many of the AUCTIONS are private..so you can't even look to see what sorts of things he is selling. I have often been suspicious of auctions when a seller suddenly strays from his usual pattern.
No, I would not have bid, nor would I have wanted to on a guy that I can't look up.
I wonder if scamcrook has a cousin named you're-a-scammer ?
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>These auctions sicken me because they are carefully crafted to extract hundreds of dollars from buyers who are getting a 1 oz. silver round worth a few dollars. Please don't try to defend this. >>
A friend of mine is a big Ebay seller and he is amazed that he has gotten legit bids of $10. to nearly $100.00 for these copies and he's very good about putting the words copy and reproduction in the auction. Some folks just want them at nearly any price. Let them bid and win! Given that the auction is now private there is no way to ascertain how the bidding evolved. Take some pepto!
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>A friend of mine is a big Ebay seller and he is amazed that he has gotten legit bids of $10. to nearly $100.00 for these copies and he's very good about putting the words copy and reproduction in the auction.Some folks just want them at nearly any price. Let them bid and win! >>
That's great. Your friend points out they are copies and/or reproductions, so no one should be confused. However, the auction I took exception to said nothing about being a copy or repro. The bids of $10-$100 your friend gets indicate to me that the bidders are clear on what they are buying, regardless of whether I personally think they are paying too much. The auction I questioned finished at over $600, and that, combined with the spurious description, tells me people are being deceived.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>I amazed at all the posters on this thread figured out that the piece is a reproduction but believe that no one else is able to come to the same conclusion and bid appropriately. You came to the conclusion that you did because there is no misrepresentation in that auction. Because you don't like the manner in which the auction is presented does not translate into a misrepresentation. >>
That was the basis of my comments.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>I amazed at all the posters on this thread figured out that the piece is a reproduction but believe that no one else is able to come to the same conclusion and bid appropriately. >>
Clearly, the underbidders who pushed it to over $600 did not come to that conclusion. The seller is a slimeball, pure and simple. eBay is reticent to do anything about these con artists, so it was taken care of by other means. The hobby, and the poor schmuck who would otherwise have been screwed out of his hard earned money, are better for it.
Russ, NCNE