Stack's called this coin Very Fine. What did PCGS call it? (Info added, grade revealed)

ColonialCoinUnion · June 18, 2003 8:46PM

Plate photo and lot description borrowed from Stack's:

1652 Pine Tree Shilling. Large Planchet. The Straight Tree. N.2, Cr.4-F. Very Fine. 70.8 gns. R-5. Pale silver gray in color on both sides with tinges of light blue and gold. Toning line like an horizon across the lower third of the obverse. Typical flan quality for the late state N.2, rough in places, shallow flaw on reverse. Letters in the legends on both sides trimmed down about equally, giving the coin a ``balance'' not often seen on an N.2. A good example for a starting colonial type or variety collector.

Note: Edited to add this second coin which Stack's graded as XF for comparison purposes:

Higashiyama · June 18, 2003 8:56PM

CCUAKASING -- Well, ignorant as I am in this domain, it sure looks very fine to me. And please, stop posting these cool colonials, it is whetting my appetite. (here is the inevitable progression -- 19th century US to very early US to colonial to British to Roman Britain to Roman to Greek to Asia Minor where it all begin -- and I'm still working on the "very early US" part)

dorkkarl · June 18, 2003 8:58PM

xf? tough to tell from the bad digi-pic

K S

wingedliberty · June 18, 2003 9:02PM

They probably called it XF40.

Brian

hughesm1 · June 18, 2003 10:34PM

Probably XF45, seems the major grading cos. are very generous with early pieces.

nwcs · June 18, 2003 10:37PM

The question is, without knowing what it looked like freshly minted who knows if it really is a vf or ef or whatever with any certainty?

UncleJoe · June 18, 2003 10:46PM

Who cares?

This is one of those coins IMO where what grade it is pales in comparison to the coin.

I don't think anyone would be unhappy owning this coin whether it is graded VG or XF.

Joe.

NumisEd · June 18, 2003 11:47PM

I'll stick my neck out...........AU-50

Singapore · June 19, 2003 12:21AM

AU55.

(Note I don't have my new CCU password here at the office, so for today I guess I'm still Singapore.)

cointagious · June 19, 2003 12:55AM

i'm with uncle joe on this. btw, i would tend to agree more with stack's assessment on that piece but the nuances of grading colonials are not easily learned and are as much a function of study as of an experienced eye.

FoundingFather · June 19, 2003 1:28AM

I would deem that as as easy EF -- as for what any grading service would call it, I have no idea as I have never sent a coin in to anyone for grading. However, I do know from observation that more leniency is given to earlier pieces, so it was probably given an AUish grade. I'm not so sure the extra leniency is a bad thing because for its age, it may be considred reasonable to feel it was "almost uncirculated."

I would find it disturbing to call that anything in the Mint State, since it is obvious it had some circulation/contact wear.

Shamika · June 19, 2003 5:19AM

Assuming it wasn't body bagged for being cleaned, I'm guessing AU-50.

No way is this coin VF.

ColonialCoinUnion · June 19, 2003 8:32AM

The coin Stack's called Very Fine was graded by PCGS as AU55.

ColonialCoinUnion · June 19, 2003 8:35AM

<< <i>Who cares?

This is one of those coins IMO where what grade it is pales in comparison to the coin.

I don't think anyone would be unhappy owning this coin whether it is graded VG or XF.

Joe. >>

I believe the answer to the question 'who cares?' is 1) the buyer and 2) the seller.

And I do believe someone would be most unhappy to own this coin as an AU55, for example, if they dramatically overpaid for it.

Shamika · June 19, 2003 10:44AM

Way to go Singapore!

jadecoin · June 19, 2003 11:08AM

AU-55? I hope you are only joking!

Stack's called this coin Very Fine. What did PCGS call it? (Info added, grade revealed)

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