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What would you grade this beauty?

Well, what do you think!

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  • JohnZJohnZ Posts: 1,732
    On the JohnZ grading scale it gets a 69 (equivalent to the Sheldon 70), I just like stopping at 69. Yep, definitely a 69 RP (reel purdy). Ok, I don't know from grading Colonials, but I LOVE the Novas.

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  • Singapore could grade this coin!!!
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • I should let you know that this is a 1783 Pointed Ray Small US Nova Constellatio.
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Don't care about the grade, I LIKE it!imageimage
    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
    rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS66BN
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  • I'm in the process to decide if I want to buy it or not??? What do you think???
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • Airplanenut,

    I wish it were but I've never heard of a Constellatio grading over a MS64 and that was PCGS GARRETT. Oh, by te way I already have that one. LOL
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • mbbikermbbiker Posts: 2,873
    I know it's old but it dosn't have much luster so i'll say AU-58.
  • mbbiker,

    There are a whole lot of colonials that don't have luster. But, that brings up a good point! There sure is a vast difference between grading Colonials and present day, say 1870 and on. What say you?

    Jim
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • mbbikermbbiker Posts: 2,873
    I don't know anything about coloninals but i'm sure they were minted differently than coins made after 1800. The one pictured looks really nice but i don't know what its supposed to look like so i don't know if all the detail is there or not.
  • ttt
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • JohnZJohnZ Posts: 1,732
    ConstellatioCollector: Here is an interesting die chart for the Novas. (The coins have been artificially colorized to bring out the details.) The rest of the web site is fantastic too! You probably already have die charts. In that case, just ignore me. Nova Die Chart Link

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  • JohnZJohnZ Posts: 1,732
    OK that link didn't work. Try this. Link

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  • I could not open the link, but I beleive it is the Bressett chart you are referring. It is a great tool. I have the grade and am debating on whether to buy it or not. It is a very high grade!
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • The coin in your photo is this coin - easily identifiable by the toning strip on the obverse between the 'a' in Nova and the dot:

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    The surfaces of your coin appear to be smoother and more lustrous, which indicates to me that they may have been very lightly burnished to give them a pristine 'mint state' appearance.

    The coin was formerly lot #62 in Bowers and Merena's March 2003 auction where it was in a PCGS 58 holder and realized $1265.

    Your photo shows the coin an NGC holder which I would guess is MS63 or 64.




    Singapore
  • I take it back. I was able to open the link and yes it was the chart I believed it to be. He also edits the Red Book!
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • CC -

    If you can, post a bigger picture of the NGC coin - tilted to the same angle - so you can see the direct comparison to the Bowers coin in my photo.

    Singapore
  • Singapore,

    It looks the same to me!

    Jim
    Constellatio Collector sevenoften@hotmail.com
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    "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
    "If it don't make $"
    "It don't make cents""
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    xf+. possibly au, depending on actual surface quality. can't grade these by "detail", must grade by surface, which is virtually impossible from a digi-pic

    K S


  • << <i>xf+. possibly au, depending on actual surface quality. can't grade these by "detail", must grade by surface, which is virtually impossible from a digi-pic

    K S >>



    If the coin was burnished or buffed to enhance it surfaces (and the comparative photos suggest somethings been done to it since its recent auction appearance) then I'd suggest that grading by surfaces is not a good idea.

    Looks to me like the coin was an ordinary enough XF / AU worth $1000 slabbed as AU58 by PCGS bringing $1265 now turned into an MS64 or even higher at NGC selling for - and this is just a guess - $6500?

    Not good.


    Singapore
  • Can you post a pic of the whole holder so we can see the NGC grade?
    Singapore
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    on my crappy monitory, i cannot tell from a non-comparative photo that a coin's surface has been burnished. if such is the case, then your nova grades no better than vf!!!

    burnishing can fall under either category of "curation" or "doctoring". in this case, if what singapore shows is really the same coin, then the coin has been DOCTORED. "curation" by burnishing would be the case where corrosion was growing on the coins surface & required removal to maintain the coin's integrity. but burnishing for the sole purpose of enhancing a coin's appeal is just like dipping a silver coin to make it blast-white. it's a dammed shame is what it is.

    K S

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