1909-s VDB real or not?

baccaruda · May 12, 2003 5:50AM

(just the toning). I've read posts from copper afficianados who were fairly adamant about the natural progression of tone on copper. They were quick to call a questionable coin AT. To me the coin does not look natural (or appealing) at all - just wanted some informed opinions.

Real or not?

dorkkarl · May 12, 2003 6:00AM

easily-simulated overtones. you won't be able to tell if it's doctored or not, even in-hand

K S

jonesy · May 12, 2003 6:01AM

I,d trust ANACS. I would cross it over to PCGS!

Glenn

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 6:13AM

The scans/pics may not be representative of the true color. I'll let you know if I win it...

baccaruda · May 12, 2003 6:18AM

uofa,

lurking? i'd definitely like to see detailed scans if you win. what would cause the tone on the obverse?

merz2 · May 12, 2003 8:40AM

teal toning is natural on that copper composition.It would be very hard to tell even in hand.IMHO

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 8:47AM

In my experience, natural Copper toning can be many colors silver cannot. I have some really amazing copper toned pieces (in PCGS and NGC slabs). One of the defining tests will be to see if the toning is "floating" on the luster or seemingly painted on. It looks good to this point...bidding is going up, I may not last long as high bidder. Doug

Russ · May 12, 2003 8:51AM

(PCGS MS65RB)

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut · May 12, 2003 9:36AM

I've got a few PCGS lincolns that look like that on at least some parts.

Jeremy

mrdq · May 12, 2003 9:44AM

If that picture is an accurate color representation i'd be suprised if it crossed to PCGS or NGC. Does anyone think the new owner will send it in for "Cross at any grade"?

ElectricEye · May 12, 2003 9:46AM

looks like natural "fountain" toning to me

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 1:34PM

Tom,

I won it and paid a hefty premium, IF it is not natural. If I get it and can tell myself it is AT (not the seller's fault as he is a reputable person) then I will send it in for his refund policy. If I think it is borderline or natural, then I will send it to NGC and cross at 60 or better since the price difference will be made up by being in an NGC holder.

I will keep you all posted if there is any interest.

Doug

Merc · May 12, 2003 2:03PM

Please post a nice picture of it when you get it. The pictures on ebay are so small. Why do sellers do that? It looks like a great coin. They should show it off.

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 2:10PM

Will do MERC, thanks. Doug

mrdq · May 12, 2003 3:41PM

Congrats on the purchase and best wishes on the cross! keep us posted

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 4:01PM

Will do Tom, thanks.

Doug

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 4:06PM

Hey Merc,

Here is a really cool Mercury I just won off eBay...you like toners?

(Hope I did the link right...I am new at this stuff).

Doug Text

braddick · May 12, 2003 4:20PM

Doug, a belated welcome to the Forum, but the way. I also like the ANACS 09 and think the color is real. I own a couple like this (albeit, ANACS, 1940's) and knowing the source of purchase and the way these will take on that >"tilt it just right and the colors of blue are blazing!"< attractive, REAL tone.

I'm looking forward to better photos when the coin arrives to you.

uofa1285 · May 12, 2003 4:33PM

Thanks Braddick, that is great news.

1909-s VDB real or not?

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