Just knocked off my first Peace, what do you guys and gals think of it?

Russ · April 3, 2003 7:42AM

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Russ, NCNE

anoldgoat · April 3, 2003 7:52AM

Dipping will get rid of that tarnish

FC57Coins · April 3, 2003 7:52AM

WOW - that's one cool Peace! - Where'd you find it???

Frank

pontiacinf · April 3, 2003 7:55AM

big congrats on that ONE russ...its very hard to find a peace dollar with "original" pretty toning...i believe that one falls in the "absolutely beautiful original toning"...

congrats indeed

Russ · April 3, 2003 7:55AM

Frank,

I snatched out of the hands of Lori (underbidder) on eBay.

Russ, NCNE

baccaruda · April 3, 2003 7:55AM

that's a beaut - i like it. let the AT debate begin.

airplanenut · April 3, 2003 7:56AM

When FrattLaw sees this, he's definitely going to flip- great coin!

ccr · April 3, 2003 8:01AM

Whoa!

I agree with airplanenut, Frattlaw is going to flip when he sees that. Heck of a find.

FC57Coins · April 3, 2003 8:07AM

<< I snatched out of the hands of Lori (underbidder) on eBay >>

Better living through sniping!

Great coin!

Better luck next time Lori!

DCAMFranklin · April 3, 2003 8:21AM

Much nicer than the auction scans. You going to "liberate" it from that PCI holder?

Lori · April 3, 2003 9:18AM

Russ

You are going on my s**t list.

J/K

I have to learn to bid higher.

Lori

lablover · April 3, 2003 9:19AM

Oh so cool!!!

Russ · April 3, 2003 9:22AM

<< Russ

You are going on my s**t list. >>

Lori,

I seem to remember you tromping my sorry butt a while back.

Russ, NCNE

Lori · April 3, 2003 9:24AM

Nah, It wasn't me I swear.

Lori

ursabear · April 3, 2003 9:45AM

Whoof! Great coin.

I still want Lori's colored Sac in her signature.

Russ,

'Twas a snipe, yes?

Russ · April 3, 2003 9:49AM

<< 'Twas a snipe, yes? >>

Is there any other way?

Russ, NCNE

CalGold · April 3, 2003 9:51AM

Nicked up common date with what might be envelope toning if you're lucky.

Russ · April 3, 2003 9:54AM

CalGold,

You're hurting my feelings.

Russ, NCNE

CalGold · April 3, 2003 10:01AM

Russ,

I don't think I said anything that you didn't already know.

CG

FrattLaw · April 3, 2003 2:47PM

Hey, I can't have all the toned Peace $, but I am trying.

Looks nice and real to me. But I don't think it's envelope toning, alone. There seems to be some rim toning as well as envelope toning. Purples are hard to find on Peaces, the gold makes me think its all original though.

If I had to guess a grade I'd say its a MS63 PCGS, but probably a MS64 or 65 PCI.

Real nice coin Russ, can't believe I missed that one

but my collection of toned Peaces is starting to get like your collection of AH Kennedys.

Are you going to send it off to PCGS?

Michael

Tassa · April 3, 2003 2:49PM

Very Nice!

dan1ecu · April 3, 2003 2:59PM

Nice toning!

stman · April 3, 2003 3:11PM

The splotches of purple kind of bother me on this coin. If they are not of the florescent nature than it's probably fine. But if I remember right Lori's Sac dollar she said was slabbed by pcgs. I don't agree with it but who am I?

DCAMFranklin · April 3, 2003 4:53PM

<< Hey, I can't have all the toned Peace $, but I am trying.

Looks nice and real to me. But I don't think it's envelope toning, alone. There seems to be some rim toning as well as envelope toning. Purples are hard to find on Peaces, the gold makes me think its all original though.

If I had to guess a grade I'd say its a MS63 PCGS, but probably a MS64 or 65 PCI.

Real nice coin Russ, can't believe I missed that one

but my collection of toned Peaces is starting to get like your collection of AH Kennedys.

Are you going to send it off to PCGS?

Michael >>

Frattlaw- C'mon PCI's grading standards aren't that loose.

PCI MS-62

The coin is in a PCI MS-62 holder. Hopefully, Russ will "liberate" the coin and place it in another holder. Gotta' tell you, those colors would look better contrasted with the white insert from NGC.

Russ · April 4, 2003 2:28AM

<< If I had to guess a grade I'd say its a MS63 PCGS >>

Michael,

Do you really think that coin is an MS63? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know squat about Peace Dollars, but to me it looks like it's barely an MS60. It has an awful lot of nicks and dings on it. Is that much allowed at that grade?

Of course, the two Morgans PCGS graded on one of my submissions both came back higher than I thought they would. Maybe I'm just too used to looking at proof surfaces.

Russ, NCNE

stman · April 4, 2003 7:38AM

So I guess I'm the only naysayer on this one. But I wouldn't be surprised if pcgs slabs it. I'm sure NGC would, which doesn't mean much to me, be curious what happens on this one.

sinin1 · April 4, 2003 8:27AM

It's ugly Russ

before you know it HepCat Lucy will be showing off Merc dimes on the registry forum

stick with what you are good at-> 1964 accented hair Kennedy's

forget about ugly blue nickels as well

Russ · April 4, 2003 8:56AM

sinin1,

You're hurting my feelings.

Russ, NCNE

Dog97 · April 5, 2003 1:43AM

I don't think you will ever see that Peace in a PCGS slab and 62/63 is about right.

freeblue · April 5, 2003 1:54AM

I am 2000% positive that is a SEXY COIN!

Russ · April 5, 2003 1:59AM

<< I don't think you will ever see that Peace in a PCGS slab >>

Dog,

I can say with absolute certainty that I won't see it in a PCGS slab. It would have to be submitted to them for that possibility to exist.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · May 31, 2003 12:13PM

Just thought I'd bump this with an update. The coin is now an NGC MS62.

Russ, NCNE

mdwoods · May 31, 2003 12:23PM

Thats a beauty Russ. Nice find. mdwoods

Dog97 · May 31, 2003 12:31PM

Interesting that you post these coins that everybody says are AT then you post them later in a NGC slab.
I basically said it was AT because I have one similiar to it, matter of fact it is @ PCGS right now, that the experts like coinguy1, gsaguy & frattlaw agreed was AT. I also agreed.

morganbarber · May 31, 2003 12:43PM

Russ, I've been on this forum long enough to get to like you, and I'm sorry to say hat that is one baggy, ugly AT common date Peace. I'm sorry. I really take no pleasure in voicing an honest opinion.

MacCoin · May 31, 2003 12:53PM

Congrads on the first peace. a little pillow talk its a nice ms63

this is my first PCGS peace

Russ · May 31, 2003 12:55PM

morganbarber,

Common date and baggy. Yep, no question about that. Even I see it. You'll note that above I said I thought it was barely an MS60. Ugly is one of those things that resides in the eye of the beholder.

But, AT'd? Two different grading services have passed judgement on the coin and both decided it was the real deal.

Russ, NCNE

MacCoin · May 31, 2003 1:07PM

Russ it ain't that ugly! I think its better than a 60. I have a hopefully xf/au high releaf at pcgs now waiting for a grade and slab

andy007 · May 31, 2003 1:09PM

<< But, AT'd? Two different grading services have passed judgement on the coin and both decided it was the real deal >>

That is not the truth. It means that they consider the coin market acceptable, the fact that they graded the coin does not mean 100% that this coin is not AT. Quite a common misperception regarding third party grading.

Dog97 · May 31, 2003 1:09PM

Russ your good luck with your returns makes me want to get back in to the slabbing game!

Dog97 · May 31, 2003 1:11PM

>>>>That is not the truth. It means that they consider the coin market acceptable, the fact that they graded the coin does not mean 100% that this coin is not AT. Quite a common misperception regarding third party grading. >>>>
Yeah that's what I was trying to say too. Thanks Andy!

stman · May 31, 2003 1:41PM

Still don't feel it's original. But you know the game now Russ. Send the question coins to a certain service and the other ones to another. Nothing wrong with that I guess.

Russ · May 31, 2003 1:46PM

<< Send the question coins to a certain service and the other ones to another. >>

HMM...I don't know about that. On the same submission NGC bodybagged a coin for AT that had been formerly holdered by ANACS as an MS63.

How many services does a coin have to be submitted to in order to be sure? Two? Three? All of them? Or, is PCGS the only service that always gets it right?

Russ, NCNE

stman · May 31, 2003 1:55PM

Nope I don't think Pcgs always gets it right. But come on, I said nothing really wrong with sending ? coins to the service of choice. The service of choice also graded this one. And gave it the coveted star to boot.

Edit to add disclaimer.... I no longer own this coin but it was fun owning it to study and give the evil eye to.

It's a bunch of BS and I don't mean bluesheet.

Russ · May 31, 2003 2:01PM

Well, that one would sure as hell fool me. Of course, in my case, that's no great achievement!

Russ, NCNE

wingedliberty · May 31, 2003 2:09PM

I am in love.

Brian.

Dog97 · May 31, 2003 2:31PM

>>>>>is PCGS the only service that always gets it right?>>>>
One must realize that when playing with borderliner AT market acceptable coins they can go either way at any of the big 3 grading services. To be "astute" as sincerely micheal says you must know where each service draws the line because they do have different standards of acceptability.
You guys know that and I don't know why wearing my fingers out typing it.

supercoin · May 31, 2003 2:34PM

Sheesh, tough crowd. Toning looks ok to me, what's the problem? Nice Peace piece. Peace, man.

stman · May 31, 2003 2:34PM

<< You guys know that and I don't know why wearing my fingers out typing it. >>

supercoin · June 1, 2003 5:00AM

Here's a PCGS one, obverse toning similar:

Russ · June 1, 2003 5:07AM

<< Sheesh, tough crowd. >>

Yeah, they're being mean to me.

Russ, NCNE

Just knocked off my first Peace, what do you guys and gals think of it?

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